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POLL: Are you confident in Ben Bernanke's ability as Fed Chairman to get the economy moving?

Given the scope of Bernanke's powers, are you confident in his/the Fed's ability to manipulate interest rates, help control unemployment, keep inflation in check, and help promote overall economic growth?

Please answer YES or NO, and provide a short explanation why.

Watch the press conference here: http://www.ustream.tv/federalreserve

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Steve Christensen
Chairman/CEO, Babbleware Inc.
Posted on June 23, 2011

Simple answer - No. It isn't a qualification issue. It is an effect issue. The fed cannot grow the economy...it can only regulate its growth through monetary policy. Once the momentum is out of a market, the Fed is helpless to actually impact it as any action they can take will exacerbate inflation. Tax policy gets the economy growing..plain and simple. Raise taxes, kill an economy, lower taxes and spark an economic recovery. The Tax issue must be balanced against government spending. Austerity measures are important as the U.S. has crept from historic lows of high 20's, to 24 months ago 40's to now approaching 70% of GDP is government debt. The clowns of both colors in DC will screw up their side of taxes and debt while the Fed will screw up their side with QE3 (inflation) and interest rates. Hopefully they don't raise the debt ceiling...$14.3Trillion in credit card debt is enough honey....quite freakin' shopping.

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John Staple
John Staple Replied on June 29, 2011

"Raise taxes, kill an economy, lower taxes and spark an economic recovery."

I'm not sure the data supports your thesis. The broadest measure of the tax rate is total federal revenues divided by the gross domestic product. By this measure, federal taxes are at their lowest level in more than 60 years. And yet, this has not seemed to spurn on a thriving economy.

If you compare GDP to the top marginal tax rates since 1950, you will see that there is absolutely no correlative relationship between higher taxes and sluggish economic growth. In fact, GDP has grown the slowest during periods when tax rates were extremely low - such as now.

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2011/06/img/marginal_tax_chart.jpg

Obviously, there is the caveat that correlation does not equal causation - and there are certainly a number of other factors that affect economic growth. Tax loopholes also skew these numbers significantly since effective tax rates among the corporate and investor class are certainly much lower, but that would push the recent numbers less in favor of the low taxes = economic growth construct.

I am not suggesting that high taxes cause economic growth, but I don't think that you can claim that lower taxes cause economic growth, either.

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Steve Christensen
Steve Christensen Replied on June 29, 2011

John, If federal revenues as a percentage of GDP are low during slow growth...doesn't that equally demonstrate that the economy is slowing so tax collections fall...and in fact if the economy slows enough, the tax payments fall. There are no corporations or governments. They are only representations of people. Effectively, corporations are employees. To tax corporations is to take from the employees and investors. The investor class you've also targeted are, courtesy of 401K, IRA, Roth IRA, Private and Public Pension; employees. The Govt. doesn't provide anything...it is only a drag on the population. That drag needs to be made a light as possible so that the citizens/employees can prosper. Raising taxes, increasing the debt limit and QE 1/2/3 are all tremendous drags on the economy.

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John Staple
John Staple Replied on June 29, 2011

Tax collections are also falling as a direct result of tax rates being EXTREMELY low. The reason I "targeted" investors and corporations is because factually speaking, they are complicit in that being the case. Investors pay 15% on capital gains, and since most of them do not show other income, the top 1% of earners pay an effective tax rate of roughly18%.

Corporate tax receipts as a percentage of GDP are also at a historical low. Many of our largest corporations such as Apple and Google pay less than 10% in taxes (despite our allegedly high corporate tax rates), because of tax loopholes the the "Irish Double Dip", and they are allowed to hide revenues or simply claim enormous tax credits to offset profits.

I doubt that we will see eye-to-eye on this matter since you are making an ideological argument and I am making an argument based on the existing data. I disagree with your analysis because I think the evidence is lacking. It's not a function of my own ideological leanings.

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Steve Christensen
Steve Christensen Replied on June 29, 2011

John - The top 1% pay 38.02% of the Federal Personal Income Tax, according to the National TaxPayers Union for '08. The AGI for this group was $380K/year. 99.8 Million Federal Personal Income Tax returns were filed. 1% of that is 900K. Their combined AGI is $342B. If their effective tax rate is only 15% because they are entirely comprised of the investing class (although I'm sure a few people here don't feel they part of that class but may even qualify by AGI)they would only pay $51.3B in taxes. If Personal Income Tax is 45% of the governments revenue and the top 1% pay 38% of the personal income tax...your numbers are about $370B off. The effective rate is much higher because a majority of the income is derived not passively - through generations old investments as is often the charicature - but through good old fashioned income.

I hope my numbers help and remove the ideological basis of my argument.

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John Staple
John Staple Replied on June 29, 2011

I appreciate the response - and some of the numbers you have presented. But if you want to expand the discussion into what percentage of federal income taxes are paid by the top earners, then you also need to include income and wealth distribution. Because only that in combination with some of these figures you've cited can tell the real story.

Back in 1915, an era dominated by the "robber barons", the richest 1% of Americans earned roughly 18% of all income. Today, the top 1% account for 24% of all income. The top 1% of households (in terms of wealth) currently posses more than 50% of all financial assets (stocks, bonds, mutual funds). Over the last two decades, CEO compensation is up 300%, but the average worker's compensation is barely up 5%. Hourly earnings (adjusted for inflation) have not risen in 50 years.

As a dollar amount, the top 1% certainly do pay a very large portion of taxes. But comparatively speaking, they also HAVE much more of the overall pie and are paying much less on what they have as a percentage.

My apologies on the math for the effective tax rate of the top earners. According to the IRS, in 2007 (which appears to be the latest year of complete data) the top 400 households in America paid an effective tax rate of 16.6% - not 18%. I suspect those figures have not moved at all in the last few years.

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Chuck Clabots
Chuck Clabots Replied on June 29, 2011

must have skiped that 8 AM macro econ class.... frankly the only reason we have had any recovery has bee almost exclusivly due to the large financial injections in the system by the fed during the initial colapsr in the fall of 08; followed by the quantitative easing exicuted by the fed during the part 18 months. The legislative branch is in grid lock and can not effect any fiscal effect on the economy.

It seems to be lost on the author of the answer that we have come from and are in the later stages of the most significant economic crisis of our life time. We are still in effective colapse of the financial sector and will be for some time.

The last time this happened it took congess 3 years to respond (1929 to 1933) then in the spirit of fiscal restraint the congress back tracked on all stimulis in 1937 sending the economy back in to a down turn (in 1937 deficit hawks won the day, the budget was balanced and the economy went back into the ditch)

We only got out of the last crisis by bowowing more the the country had borrowrd in all of its previous history and at almost twice the current national debt to gdp ratio we are currently at. We called it world war II

With out congenital short memory, we forget that it took the US until the mid sixties to pay that debt off....

Well. The fed.... So far the fed is the only institution that has stood between us.... and complete collapse

9% unemployment..... does any one remember what it was in 1933?

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John James
Chairman, JD James & Company
Posted on June 23, 2011

“POLL: Are you confident in Ben Bernanke's ability as Fed Chairman to get the economy moving?”
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I have been having this discussion more frequently with a wider range of people each time..that in itself is an indicator!
Let's review, the role of the Federal Reserve; first of all, it is Banker to the US and lender of last/first resort(Fed window) for federal banks experiencing short term cash flow issues. Since 1946 it has also been charged with somehow "maintaining a healthy economy". There are other roles but these are the ones I will focus on. A Chairman, even Mr. Bernanke, can do only so much (limited tools) to the real economy, because the Fed is a reactionary force, not an innovator. True economic growth cannot be legislated or bureaucratically created (failed Soviet experiment). The role of the Fed and Mr. Bernanke particularly, is to respond to both the changed culture on Wall Street and the horrendous damage that has been wreaked on the US and to a lesser extent the global economy recently. Is he doing a good job?..NO. Why? Because the Fed is owned and indirectly managed by the same people they regulate.
Finally, let's revisit the question. It is not the role of the government to "get the economy moving" but, to simply put the elements in place for the private sector to increase manufacturing and service activity! Any effort by the government is short term and meant to stave off a disaster until the private sector reenergizes. In the US today that issue is problemmatic. That may explain why so many people are looking to the government to structurally impact growth in the private sector. The predictable result has been an even more symbiotic relationship with the private financial intermediaries and the Fed but no real positive impact on the basic economy.

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Chris Selland
Senior Vice President, Corporate Development, Hale Global
Posted on June 23, 2011

I have no confidence whatsoever in Bernanke. He has been 'easing' for years and it continues to do little to nothing to spur economic growth. The one impact that his policies ARE having is absolutely decimating the value of the US Dollar. The only thing preventing the dollar from complete collapse is the fact that Europe is in even worse shape than the US (for most of the same policy reasons).

Bernanke's policies will be disastrous in the longer-term, and will leave future generations with a massive pile of debt and a worthless currency, leaving no way to pay back that debt.

This country desperately needs another Paul Volcker - a Fed chairman who is willing to make the hard decisions, restore the soundness of our currency and create an economic environment where private industry, not government profligacy, can get the economy back on track.

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Mark Hunter
The Sales Hunter, The Sales Hunter
Posted on June 23, 2011

No, after listening to part of his meeting yesterday with reporters I came away with a clear sense he does not have a clue. It was interesting how his forecasts really did nothing more than kick the can down the road in terms of what he sees happening with unemployment and the GDP. My fear is the Fed is becoming more and more political in what they do and what they say. A strong Fed is an independent Fed.

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Steve Early
Customer Ops - Salesforce CRM Manager, Avid Technology
Posted on June 26, 2011

Nope. We seem to be following similar policies to many of the European nations whose economies are about to tumble. It's going to get ugly.

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Troy Casey
Architect, McKesson
Posted on June 27, 2011

No.

Bernanke is either incapable of seeing his failures, or incapable of learning from them. "Quantitative Easing" is nothing more than an inflating of the money supply, and a socio-politically destructive one as well, in that it is seen by the public (those cognizant of it) as more favors for Wall St. and the Banksters...and in a way, it is.

As other have said, the Fed is just one slice of the pie, albeit an important one. With respect to stimulating the economy, it is not just Taxes but also Regulation and the (un)favorability of "Free Trade" agreements. Regulation adds nearly as much of a burden as taxation to lightly-regulated businesses, and more in the heavily-regulated industries: and we definitely need to invite more manufacturing to the US if we ever hope to recover in blue-collar jobs.

The Congress and the Executive Branch in Washington DC must get on-board with a spending- and size-of-government reduction plan if we hope to lift the albatross of burdensome government from the economy so it can 'fly' again. As others have alluded to, the current policy set in Washington has been tried in Moscow and it led to the destruction of their economy and eventual collapse of their government. If that's what it's going to take, then let's get on with it because in the meantime we will all descend into the 'equal poverty' that is the blessing of the Socialist state.

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NO, after watching Inside Job doc on financial meltdown I have 0 confidence in his or Fed's competency/decision making abilities.

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Andrew McKillop
Consultant / Author
Posted on June 23, 2011


This could be a disingenuous or trick question

The first answer is No.

Within his own framework and its constraints, Bernanke is doing as good a job as J-C Trichet of the European Central Bank.

That means the answer is Yes.

But the problem gets worse. So the answer is No again.

If you took one of the factors you mentioned, interest rates, Bernanke is just like Trichet or the Bank of Japan governor M Shirakawa - unable to do anything. If he hiked interest rates anything more than say 1% or 2% over 3 months, the US and global economy would implode.The governors of these central banks dont have any choice.

The possibility of doing what Vance did at the start of the 1980s is 100% impossible today, so - just for example - the US dollar has to go devaluing

So that makes the answer No, again.

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Andrew McKillop
Consultant / Author
Posted on June 27, 2011

I think whats needed is a recognition that the common basic causes produce the same results: Greece is just a micro-version of the USA but doesnt have a world reserve currency as big as the US dollar, to play lucky with

Here is Europe plenty of folks recognize the Greek crisis for what it is: proof the euro money and euro system dont work.

The ECB acts exactly like the US Fed, you will note, so why should the results be any different ?

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No. That's not his job.

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Michael Janas
President, Godson HR Group
Posted on June 27, 2011

N0. He along cannot do it alone and some elements involved in solving this problem are not something one person can affect (e.g., consumer sentiment or willingness to spend, consumer saving, rate of new job creation, et al.). The govt can only do so much!

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Tax hikes spur economic growth? What planet are you from? After WWII, everyones manufacturing base in the world was bombed to crap, except ours. We could have the luxury of charging whatever we wanted on taxes because we were the only game in town. The reality of the situation today is much different from then, we have emerging economies that use a lot of resources. If we want jobs to return, we must be willing to challenge India and China for all that investment capital floating around.. right now, all that capital is flowing into China because they have the highest ROI for investors with their business friendly climate.

While here in the USA, our government seems to be doing its best to chase competition and investment capital out of the country. We have become an anti-business country, our government has been down right hostile businesses over the past couple of years, under the assumption that, we are America and we don't need to compete. News flash, we do need to compete, and the only way to get there is to match or beat China on its business and investment friendly climate. We will first have to start at the corporate tax rate and drop it to meet or beat Chinas at 25%... there is trillions of dollars made by American companies wordwide, but because we tax repatriated profits, that money will remain over seas. Lets drop that rate to zero to encourage that money come back. Capital gains taxes puts a boot on the neck of investment as well, nobody wants to sell assets to realize gains when they will be punished harshly... drop it to zero, it isn't needed, and it barely contributes to the government revenue stream.

If we want jobs to return, we must make America look attractive to invest in again, right now we are looking more and more like the Soviet Union, and we will continue on that decline to a collapse, just like they did unless we wise up and become a capitalist nation again through competition.

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Tax hikes spur economic growth? What planet are you from? After WWII, everyones manufacturing base in the world was bombed to crap, except ours. We could have the luxury of charging whatever we wanted on taxes because we were the only game in town. The reality of the situation today is much different from then, we have emerging economies that use a lot of resources. If we want jobs to return, we must be willing to challenge India and China for all that investment capital floating around.. right now, all that capital is flowing into China because they have the highest ROI for investors with their business friendly climate.

While here in the USA, our government seems to be doing its best to chase competition and investment capital out of the country. We have become an anti-business country, our government has been down right hostile businesses over the past couple of years, under the assumption that, we are America and we don't need to compete. News flash, we do need to compete, and the only way to get there is to match or beat China on its business and investment friendly climate. We will first have to start at the corporate tax rate and drop it to meet or beat Chinas at 25%... there is trillions of dollars made by American companies wordwide, but because we tax repatriated profits, that money will remain over seas. Lets drop that rate to zero to encourage that money come back. Capital gains taxes puts a boot on the neck of investment as well, nobody wants to sell assets to realize gains when they will be punished harshly... drop it to zero, it isn't needed, and it barely contributes to the government revenue stream.

If we want jobs to return, we must make America look attractive to invest in again, right now we are looking more and more like the Soviet Union, and we will continue on that decline to a collapse, just like they did unless we wise up and become a capitalist nation again through competition.

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Nicole Fende
President & Chief Numbers Whisperer, Small Business Finance Forum
Posted on June 29, 2011

No and that isn't the role of Federal Reserve. (Although I would add he is not qualified and suffers from Ivory Tower Syndrome)

Unfortunately the steps they have taken are simply leading to currency devaluation, growing risk of domestic inflation and a global weakening of the creditworthiness of the USD. Moody's is threatening to downgrade us!

The more government tries to fix things, the more problems they create. Government sponsored (and in many cases underwrote) aggressive and risky home loan practices which led to the initial problem. Too big to fail exacerbated it. Now "stimulus" and other so-called government solutions are weighing down this country. Throw in completely unfunded future liabilities (in the private sector companies would NEVER be allowed to play games with their pensions like this) and you've got big problems.

We need to run our country like businesses and homes run their budgets. Live within your means.

To those on the forum who say raise taxes on large companies and wealthy individuals. I would recommend you read the recent articles in the WSJ on the spurt of companies moving offshore to protect their income. Would you rather have 20% of $20 million or 40% of $0?

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Brian LoCicero
Brian LoCicero Replied on June 29, 2011

Off-shoring has been happening for far longer than the economy has been tanking. We have simply become a nation of consumers and not a nation of producers. What do we really produce anymore that is desired outside (or inside) of our nation?

As a nation of consumers, we have expensive tastes and therefore demand to be paid large wages for not so difficult work. All the financial policies in the world can't fix this issue, it's behavioral and part of the US culture now. Just saw a news article yesterday that roughly 85% of kids 12-18 want an iPhone/iPad but when asked, only 10% of them cared to even know how they actually worked. There is no educational curiosity amongst the youth culture to lead me to believe we're going to change behaviorally.

Lastly, there will always be an offshore location that will have lower taxes, even if the US lowered the corporate tax rates, greedy owners will still find those places so I'm not sure if that will ever get solved.

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Nicole Fende
Nicole Fende Replied on June 29, 2011

Brian thanks for the response. Let me clarify the off-shoring comment. First I agree that off-shoring is not new. However there has to be a substantial benefit for US companies to make the switch. Recently WSJ had an article (will try to find exact link and post later) about companies now making the switch. In addition talk to the finance people at large international companies. This topic IS on the table again because of taxation uncertainty, and let's face it, the dollar issues.

The consumer vs. producer debate is an interesting one, however I think a bit of a red herring on this particular forum. I will say my 3 year old has insatiable curiosity which my husband and I cultivate on a daily basis.

FYI I've worked for and consulted with companies on this matter, it's not as simple as switching your mailing address. Then you add in ongoing costs to maintain your non US tax status. A few percentage points won't be enough incentive.

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Stephen Jacks
Stephen Jacks Replied on June 29, 2011

Wasn't Moody's improper rating of mortgage based securities what got us to this mess? Social Security was properly funded until the Republicans diverted S.S. Tax to pay for their deficits. To be fair, their government spending spree probably delayed this Depression by a few years, enough to get reelected in 2004. (However they burned most of the money having a war.) The WSJ used to have accurate financial article but now they parrot the drivel of the rest of Murdoch's FOX news organizations. Outsourcing is an outgrowth of American executives' desire for short term reward usually at the expense of stockholders. Think Cisco and Hawuei. Although the Japanese Automakers get perks from states they place assembly plants in, they note that higher productivity in American factories has higher importance. Companies in Japan and India keep long term goals ahead of their options short term stock price. Keane outsourced and were purchased by their outsource partner Caritor.

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Bob Dawson
Consultant/SI, The Business Group
Posted on June 29, 2011

No, I think this is a situation beyond what The Fed can do.

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Steve Rubery
CTO, Eiki International
Posted on June 24, 2011

No, one word "winds". How is it all of us in the private sector can see and understand the problems facing the economy, yet it appears few public officials local, state and fed seem to get it. I don't understand how all the economists employed by the gov't always miss the reality of our situation. Take a look at the feds predictions

http://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/files/fomcprojtabl20110622.pdf

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Bob Gately
Owner, Gately Consulting
Posted on June 27, 2011

Roy, "Common sense tells us that spending more not less is the way out of a recession" if that were true, why don't I believe it? Oh wait, I have been hearing such pronouncements since the 1960s and they are always wrong.

"It has worked for Roosevelt and other administrations in the past that have had to deal with an economy in such a state as ours is now."

I wasn't aware that FDR's spending brought the unemployment rate down, wasn't it WWII?

"In 2008 the federal government collected $2.5 trillion, an amount equal to 17.7 percent of GDP. Federal revenue has ranged from 14.4 to 20.9 percent of GDP over the past five decades, averaging 18.2 percent.
The individual income tax has been the largest single source of federal revenue since 1950, averaging just over 8 percent of GDP"

The above is from http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/background/numbers/revenue.cfm

Somewhere on Focus a wise member shared with us that the revenues from all sources have historically been limited to about 18.2% of GDP. Federal spending is at 24% of GDP with no signs of coming down. If wishful thinking were a viable tax policy, perhaps raising the income taxes to grab another 4% of GDP would make sense. Wait one minute ... let me think ... that would mean we would need to raise the income tax from 8% of GDP to 12% of GDP. How much do we have to confiscate from the rich to get 12% of GDP?

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To quote John McEnroe in his car commercial, "You can't be serious". BB is an academic who is so far out of his league in the real world. He's been on the record wrong aboout virtually every major economic issue over the past 10 years.Take a look:
http://themushroomfarm.blogspot.com/2010/01/if-ben-bernanke-were-nfl-head-coa...

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No, and he has lost the confidence of the people of the USA. He should stick to his history profession.

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Ramona  Winkelbauer
IT Staff, NSF
Posted on June 29, 2011

NO: Bernanke's powers are limited as one cannot manipulate interest rates to negative numbers although devaluation of the dollar effectively does this. Unfortunately, devaluation of the dollar does nothing to keep inflation in check, nor does it help promote overall economic growth.

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Chris Marisic
Chris Marisic Replied on June 30, 2011

The only positive effects that come from devaluing our dollar has been that some manufacturing has actually been coming back to America due to the depressed dollar. However the costs of devaluing our currency outweigh the benefits atleast 4 fold.

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Ramona  Winkelbauer
Ramona Winkelbauer Replied on June 30, 2011

What manufacturing, where (and possibly which incentives lured it there at what cost) and how long will it stay?

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Chris Marisic
Chris Marisic Replied on June 30, 2011

Like the Boeing expansion that the NLRB is suing Boeing for expanding in South Carlina instead of expanding in Washington. Also either Honda or Toyota is expanding more here in America. Are 2 of the bigger examples. But with the actions of the NLRB it's possible Boeing might choose to expand in entire other country.

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Ramona  Winkelbauer
Ramona Winkelbauer Replied on June 30, 2011

Actually, I'm concerned about how much expansion Boeing has in China already. :(

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Chris Marisic
Chris Marisic Replied on June 30, 2011

The actions of the NLRB are outright terrifying to me for them suing Boeing. I feel like that's something that would happen in the USSR not the USA. I can't imagine the damage this is doing when other corporations that have to look at what is happening to Boeing and decide the risk of expanding in the USA just isn't worth it when they can probably do it cheaper outside the US anyway.

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Greg Timpany
Marketing Research, Global Knowledge
Posted on June 29, 2011

I think all of Washington needs to take off their monkey suits and take a walk through the country. This goes for the Fed, Congress and Obama and crew. Our government has lost touch with what is truly important. That would be the health and welfare of our people, the quality of the environment we live in, and the future we can create for our children.

If it takes getting back to basics to be able to make sustainable investments in our future then so be it! Let's try putting everything on the table including raising taxes if that is what it will take to repair the state of the public good. Tired of partisan politics? I sure am.

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In a depression the true interest is negative. Estimated -2.7% now. Fed cannot be negative or zero, currently .25% minimum. In the 1930s Roosevelt increased government deficit spending to recover. If you're going to spend, best time is when interest is negative.

Reason there is no recovery is that money cost is 3% too high. Bernanke cannot do anything about that. He's not smart enough to be in charge because he did not see the Depression coming. Like 1840 and 1929 depressions, there were warning signs at the beginning of the decade. Note that Herbert Hoover and Herbert Bush reacted the same way, by giving more money to the banks and cutting government spending. Caused recovery to take ten years. The current Republicans are our ticket to Hooverville.

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Chris Marisic
Chris Marisic Replied on June 29, 2011

You make a well reasoned argument however situations are entirely different now. During those periods we didn't have a national debt that is 100% equal to our GDP. Also the scope of government was far lower then. The current Federal Government consumes more wealth than almost any single nation on this planet that isn't a G8 or G20 member.

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John Staple
John Staple Replied on June 29, 2011

Our current government spends more on Defense/Military than the rest of the world COMBINED.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

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Chris Marisic
Chris Marisic Replied on June 29, 2011

@John Staple the solution to that is closing our 400+ foreign military bases and bringing our troops home.

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Dock David Treece
Investment Advisor, Market Strategist, Treece Investment Advisory Corp
Posted on July 6, 2011

No, I'm not confident in his ability. However, unlike Mr. Christensen, I believe this IS a qualification issue. Mr. Bernanke is an academic - he knows nothing of real world economics. Sadly, the world does not run on theories. Very little of what Bernanke knows can help him - or us.

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Gail Tverberg
Editor, The Oil Drum
Posted on July 6, 2011
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No, I am not confident in Ben Bernanke's powers to get the economy moving. The real issue behind the continued economic slow-down is limited oil supplies. These limited oil supplies manifest themselves first as high oil prices, then flow through to the rest of the economy in the form of higher food prices, reduced demand for discretionary goods, higher debt defaults, and reduced credit availability. James Hamilton has shown that in 10 out 11 post World War II recessions, oil price spikes preceded the recession. http://reason.com/archives/2011/03/08/oil-price-shocks-and-the-reces

Our government now understands this connection, but is fairly powerless to fix it, because it is related to the fact that the "easy oil" (translated to "cheap to extract" oil) has already been extracted. The Wall Street Journal recently wrote an article about the "Easy oil" being gone. "Facing up to the end of 'Easy Oil'" http://professional.wsj.com/article/SB100014240527487044360045762994214551333... (Try Googling the title, if this link is behind a pay wall.)

The government recently made a stab at fixing the problem with an announced oil release from the SPR, showing they are now catching on to the underlying problem. Bernanke otherwise attempts to use his "tools" to fix the symptoms of the problem, but he is powerless to fix the underlying cause. This is why his policies are doomed to failure.

James Hamilton and I were recently involved in a Focus Roundtable on the Real Causes and Wider Economic Effects of High Gas Prices http://www.focus.com/roundtables/real-causes-and-wider-macroeconomic-effects-...

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no

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Andrew McKillop
Consultant / Author
Posted on June 27, 2011


Interesting so many persons nail the Roosevelt "miracle" on the head: World War 2 created job, through deficit spending and debt, not modern peacetime Keynesian-type tax cuts for the rich and bailouts for Wall Street

The problem for the war solution is the nature, type and size of modern "allowable wars" like in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya

Employment-creating wars are big, go on a long time and employ a lot of persons

Current Indiana Jones-type wars are bot in the same ballpark, thats all, and taking on real serious New Enemies (China for example) would go nuclear pretty fast, so we likely dont have a war solution anymore

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Absolutely not. Ben Bernake being in charge of the Fed is the absolutely literal Fox guarding the chicken coup. This man, along with his predecessors have nearly uniformly wrecked our nation with their insane monetary policies. The entire Great Recession was directly caused by the market distortion the Federal Reserve has intertwined through our economy since the S&L crisis.

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I Don't know guys how to tell you this, it seems to me that every body is enjoying the party not missing any spark out of it.

For sure this is not a party festival, so your way of thinking logically needs to be different.

Still I am trying to catch the right approach to tell you this. by simple logic let's start this argument.

If you want to see the whole picture and the trend were the american economy is heading, look around you and you will see it, still it is little bit cloudy or clumsy or be unable to be understood.

what Ben is doing with his FED are simply, squeezing American Economy to there net assets. you all will be owned by fed by law. they can lend the Government and hold all it's assets till it break down to bankruptcy and get owned by FED.

If you still have any doubt, go read the FED regulation Goals and objectives, they own you since they own the currency means the US $. and the own the government since they lend it more it can pay back.

needs more, OK the FED is different from other central bank. it is a private cooperation. it's business is only to lend the government. what so ever FED interest is different from government, as an example of a loon seeker to banker. I think this point is clear now. I don't' want to explain more. I let this to your common sense.

So our Ben and FED are trying there best to win. finish.

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Kellie Auld
Employment Relationship Consultant, Simply Communicating
Posted on June 29, 2011

No. I do not trust Ben Bernanke - but then I'm Canadian so perhaps I shouldn't have a viewpoint. However...for the purpose of your survey...at least you have a response.

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This is the video I wanted to link to earlier:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INmqvibv4UU&feature=share

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Andrew McKillop
Consultant / Author
Posted on July 6, 2011
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How about the storyline that Ben Barnanke is responsible for higher gasoline prices and since *everybody* knows high gas prices cause recession, Bernanke is causing recession by depreciating the world vaue of the US dollar which is a pretty straight cause of rising prices for most anything traded in dollars, especially gold and oil.

Maybe Bernanke didnt really mean to hike gas prices, but by cutting the value of the dollar that is what he does.
But we can add another layer to us: by giving windfall gains to oil exporter countries, this allows US Fed players like the Fed Reserve Bank of NY to take in deposits from some of the oil exporter countries, which maybe helps Bernanke finance the deficit, a little or (see URLbelow) a lot. The NY Reserve Bank is real proud of what it is doing

http://www.newyorkfed.org/research/current_issues/ci12-9/ci12-9.html

So maybe its a conspiracy by Bernanke and his pals in the Fed reserve system - to drive up oil prices then take it chunks of petrodollars, to slow the rate of decline in the value of the dollar ?

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Bob Gately
Owner, Gately Consulting
Posted on Aug. 15, 2011
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Roy, "Yes I support Obama because he is trying to get the country back on track while pushing uphill against an obstructionist Congress", can't be correct since Obama wants to fundamentally change the country. How can Obama "get the country back on track" while fundamentally changing the country? He can't do both.

Obama had control of the House and Senate for two years and for one year he had a filibuster proof majority in the Senate yet he could not get everything he wanted, perhaps members of his own party are the obstructionists.

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John Staple
John Staple Replied on Aug. 15, 2011

I am puzzled by this retort. Perhaps you could explain the following:

1) How has Obama tried to fundamentally change the country in any way besides healthcare reform?

2) When it only takes 40 people to mount a filibuster in the Senate, and 39 are Republicans and 1 is a Democrat or Independent, how do you not ascribe the obstruction to the overwhelming majority forcing the issue?

This thread was supposed to be about POLICY, but instead it has completely devolved into politics. That is truly sad when people of differing points of view can't come together to discuss objectives and solutions without it turning into a game of brinkmanship. Sadly, it would seem government is merely reflecting the people in this regard.

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Bob Gately
Owner, Gately Consulting
Posted on Aug. 16, 2011
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John,

1) Obama said he was going fundamentally change America. If you have a problem with what he said, I suggest you take it up with him.

2) You are correct, Obama does not have the support of the American people, therefore, his agenda should be denied.

What? Public policy is about politics, how interesting.

"That is truly sad when people of differing points of view can't come together to discuss objectives and solutions without it turning into a game of brinkmanship. "

Obama said he was going to DC to be inclusive and be the president of all the people yet he told the opposition to sit at the back of the bus and be quiet. He wasn't about inclusion until he lost the House and is about to lose the Senate. Had he followed through with his campaign promise to be inclusive his job approval rating might be higher than 41%.

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John Staple
John Staple Replied on Aug. 16, 2011

I suggest you find yourself a nice political blog to visit. That would be a more appropriate forum for your comments. I find they have little to no value on Focus, particularly in a thread that's supposed to be about policy. You seem to think politics is policy, and I cannot agree with that assessment. Which would explain why you prefer vague statements and sweeping generalizations to specifics and concrete data. Your approach may make for good politics, but it makes for lousy policy.

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Bob Gately
Bob Gately Replied on Aug. 16, 2011

John, in case you forgot the thread is "POLL: Are you confident in Ben Bernanke's ability as Fed Chairman to get the economy moving?” Given the scope of Bernanke's powers, are you confident in his/the Fed's ability to manipulate interest rates, help control unemployment, keep inflation in check, and help promote overall economic growth?"

You took the discussion off track in your first response but I expect that you know that and are hoping no one noticed.

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John Staple
John Staple Replied on Aug. 16, 2011

The comments are on display for all to see, Bob. One of us is attempting to have a discussion in good faith while the other is merely trying to score cheap political points with little to no interest in having an actual dialogue.

I expect that you know which role you are playing, but were hoping that no one noticed. At any rate, have yourself a nice day.

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No...LOW TAXES AND LOW INTEREST RATES DON'T MEAN SQUAT IF MY HOUSE IS WORTH 40% LESS THAN 3 YRS AGO. ITS A 20 YEAR FIX FOOLS.
low interest rates & low taxes, as some suggest, won't change an aging population that's over leveraged with credit card debt and over valued homes & increasing health care costs (the baby boomers). The boomer population is now saving for retirement...the '90's and early '00's were their younger years to flash the cash & live large...it's over!!! Economy will stagnate since Boomers will use less leverage & save. Remember the Roaring '20's it ended in the 30's...it took 20 years for an economic boom to return (the '50's housing boom)...that's when the baby boomers were being born.
Last point if I go from 30% tax to 25% tax, how the HELL is that going increase the value of my house that's worth 40% less today then 3 years ago?...that extra $2,500 in tax savings is going to go to the interest on my credit cards...THERE IS NO QUICK FIX, IT'S A 20 YEAR FIX!!!

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Chris Marisic
Chris Marisic Replied on June 29, 2011

Not to be the bearer of bad news but you were one of those who were swindled by the Fed and Congress causing the housing market to be artificially inflated. Your house was never worth that 40% higher value, that 40% value loss is actually your property value being rightly corrected.

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Badfor Bizness
Badfor Bizness Replied on July 8, 2011

Chris, good point.!..luckily I bought in 2000 so my value is intact.

PLEASE LEARN- PRICE IS A PERCEIVED VALUE AT A GIVEN MOMENT IN TIME....

A stocks price changes daily, A desktop computer in 1996 was $2,000, Motorola flip in 1996 was worth $500 (now free), iPhone 1 is now$49 which 18 months ago was $300, were all those people swindled (I know you bought one then). People will pay what the perceived value is...housing was backed with Full Employment, cheap money, GDP & stock market growth and PERCEIVED OPTIMISM. Now we only have 2 of those 5 elements.

THE 5 STAGES ECONOMIC CYCLE ALWAYS PLAY OUT, JUST BE AWARE OF WHERE YOU ARE!!! If a tax change were the only answer then we wouldn't have downturns EVER!

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James Cowie
CIO,CTO,VP,Director, Renaissance Group
Posted on July 5, 2011
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Maybe. Economies recover suburb by suburb, town by town and then city by city and state by state. Then voila, the country is in recovery.

What goverments can do is give the person in the street confidence by ensuring they have money to spend. Spending in all quarters drives local recoveries which makes jobs and creates more money in the pockets of people who gain confidence and spend. A self fulfilling cycle.

Governments can free up money by taking taxes and allocating them where they can put money into the pockets of the public at large, not a few "fat cats".

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Yes I support Obama because he is trying to get the country back on track while pushing uphill against an obstructionist Congress. In the mean time, China may be growing; but that’s because they pay most of their workers a crap wage and under working conditions we would never tolerate. Remember in the 60s through the 80s when corporations paid their fair share of taxes that the economy prospered. Unfortunately for the much of the middle class, they don’t have to be concerned about capital gains, but those that do need to pay their fare share. With such a low capital gains rate, they pay less tax than some middle class families. What’s needed is our Congress to get some backbone and revise the laws that prevent corporations from exporting their wealth (along with jobs) to other immoral countries, pay no taxes, and then send slave labor products back in. Again, Obama is trying to get these things accomplished if only he could get the support he needs.

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Troy Casey
Troy Casey Replied on Aug. 15, 2011

I don't recall the name 'Obama' appearing in the question. This answer is irrelevant, just a troll pushing a view of class-warfare politics that has no relevance to this question.

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Glen Marshall
Principal, Grok-A-Lot, LLC
Posted on June 23, 2011

I am confident in his leadership.

I am equally confident that he will be roadblocked by others with a political agenda.

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It's not directly his job to get the economy going, but to help recreate a sense of stability and confidence in the economic system. In that regard, I think he has done a great job with the tools he has available. I believe that the measures taken helped to avert a more cataclysmic event that may have occurred due to the policies of the two previous administrations. Once America has recovered from it's credit abuse hangover and complete confidence in the financial system has been restored, the economy will most likely move on it's own.

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John Mastrianni
IT/IS Manager, PAJO
Posted on June 29, 2011

I agree with Robert Wadsworth's comment above...also, for those with such short memories, the U.S. economy improved significantly after Bill Clinton's tax hikes!

It's strange that nobody commenting here mentions Germany's economy...booming manufacturing base in spite of strong labor unions, a high-quality science, math and engineering education system, high-quality national healthcare, A MUCH MORE AGGRESSIVE RECIPROCAL AND "FAIR" TRADE POLICY WITH CHINA, NOT THE UNILATERAL FREE TRADE POLICY THE US HAS...GERMANY'S ECONOMIC HEALTH DEMONSTRATES THE SUCCESSFUL, ONGOING PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN GOVERNMENT AND INDUSTRY...THEY ALSO HAVE A VERY CAPABLE CHANCELLOR IN ANGELA MERKEL (WHOSE BACKGROUND BTW IS IN THE NATURAL SCIENCES, NOT FINANCE!)...

SO, WHAT IS GERMANY DOING RIGHT? IT MUST BE SOMETHING IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR HER TO HAVE BEEN INVITED TO THE WHITE HOUSE TWO WEEKS AGO FOR PRIVATE TALKS ABOUT ECONOMICS AND TRADE!

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Chris Marisic
Chris Marisic Replied on June 29, 2011

Honestly you've been hoodwinked by the US progressive left. Do some research about the German economy and they're really not that much better off. The whole "germany is doing great" notion is a myth. They're just not hurting as bad. They also have a very sizable manufacturing base. That unfortunately is something the US has been losing steadily for generations. The irony of the Great Recession is now some manufacturing jobs are actually returning due to our depressed currency.

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Steve Christensen
Steve Christensen Replied on June 29, 2011

Add to the fact that the current adminstration has lost such control they are turning to Europe for lessons on how to run an economy....yikes. Must have picked up her business card on one of the apology tours. Chancellor Merkel and all of Germany may be doing a great job...and for that John you are free to migrate to their country and contribute to their success.

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John Mastrianni
John Mastrianni Replied on July 3, 2011

Mr. Chistensen,

Your reply is such b$%#$%*t!...typical response from a closed mind who refuses to acknowledge that other countries may have workable solutions to the government-private industry relationship!

FYI, even heavily-Republican-slanted Forbes magazine had an article some time ago praising the German national healthcare system, basically saying they got it right (http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/0921/health-obama-germany-health-care-model...), and that U.S. policymakers could learn something from them!

Also, are you aware that there are currently many high-paying science and engineering jobs in the U.S. going unfilled, and which are typically filled by qualified foreign nationals...the reason? - the deplorable math, science and engineering illiteracy in the U.S...who cares you may say?...because these are the types of jobs/careers that really grow an economy, not the "financial wizard" types that run the Fed and Wall Street...

But, real info like this will probably be ignored by you...

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Steve Christensen
Steve Christensen Replied on July 3, 2011

John - I understand that Germany & many other countries are doing some things better than the U.S. Government, beyond protection of its citizens, is rather parasitic. U.S. policymakers don't have to travel abroad to take lessons..they only need look in their backyard.

Economies do not grow because of financial wizards regardless of where they hang their hats...that was my whole point. I am not aware that there are many high-paying science and engineering jobs in the U.S. going unfilled. I was aware that a large percentage are filled by qualified nationals. I understand that after decades of spending on our educational system which has doubled in every administration since Carter, our politicians, our citizenry and our businesses have failed to produce qualified candidates.

You've made assumptions about my understanding. You don't seem to understand that I advocate Domestic Manufacturing and dramatically reducing the cost of Healthcare. We need to expect Hospitals to run like a business and not the Healthcare Industrial Complex that it has become in the past 3+ decades. We also need companies that sell products to consumers and business to realize it is best to make/buy those products in the same market into which they hope to sell.

You don't seem to understand that I view the citizens of the country as responsible for the country, the economy and the politicians. We have what we have because we got what we asked for... unfortunately it doesn't appear we realized what we asked for and who we asked to deliver. If the citizens of any country see their fate lie in the hands of any government or that someone else is responsible for providing relief from life, that country is doomed to fail.

I do not think it is too late for the U.S. We still hold the position as the nations number one country too which people emigrate. If we play our cards right, we can take the talent of the entire world, as we have for the past 200+ years, and reestablish the entreprenuerial spirit that built our nation. Don't imagine that my mind is closed just because I don't agree with you...that seems a tad bit closed minded-ish.

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Chris Marisic
Chris Marisic Replied on July 5, 2011

@Steve Christensen I can really agree with your sentiment. After having just finished placing 3 cutting edge jobs I can really say it's disappointing seeing the lack of qualified responses from local candidates. I received maybe 75 responses total for all 3 positions. Of those, the significant majority were either not qualified or were from foreign nationals looking to do consulting work. There was very little competition for the jobs from individual candidates thankfully for each position I found a very very qualified candidate for each and hired them all immediately. 2 of them were currently employed looking to move vertically and 1 had only been laid off within a couple of weeks.

Skilled workers are tremendously needed in our country. We are seriously starting to become very disproportionate on the amount of skilled workers vs unskilled. Of these workers I hired, 2 of them went to college for same sector studies but not related industry work, and the 3rd has no college education at all. This definitely isn't a matter of education vs no education, it's about skilled vs unskilled, and college is just one of the most basic quantifiers of skill for a worker that has no track record. People that strive for success can thrive even in our recession, it's those who have limited aspirations to make themselves unique (for a career) that are struggling. The latter will continue struggle more and more so as the entire world continues its rocket-ship ride of technology into the future. Even McDonald's (in Europe atleast) are starting to replace cashiers with self service terminals, trends like these will continue. Bodies just aren't needed to do the work any more, that's all solved by computers, software, and robotics. We need people that build the robots, design the software and engineer our lives into the future. Not push the button employees.

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Cutting taxes has never worked, and it won't work now. We need to raise taxes on the rich and corporations, close military bases, end unfunded wars, and start infrastructure programs. If we're going to give anybody a break on taxes, it should be the working and middle class people. They will spend that money in the economy, not invest it in businesses in other countries. The argument that giving the corporations and the rich more so they can create jobs as the way to grow the economy is myth. The economy will only grow when working and middle class people have money to buy things. Where is the evidence that giving breaks to the rich builds jobs? For thirty years the buying power for working and middle class families has bought less and less, while the number of hours we work, and the number of jobs we have to hold keeps going up. Meanwhile more and more of the GDP is absorbed by the rich who do not reinvest it in this country. You want to grow the economy? Take from the rich and Corporations and give to the middle and working class. No business can even survive let allow thrive if there are no customers. Reverse the last thirty years of wealth redistribution in this country and we'll see plenty of growth.

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Chris Marisic
Chris Marisic Replied on June 29, 2011

How can you cut the middle class's taxes any further? 48% of America PAYS NO FEDERAL INCOME TAX.

So by definition ONLY the middle class and ONLY the rich pay Federal income taxes.

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John Staple
John Staple Replied on June 29, 2011

While it is certainly true that 48% of Americans have no federal tax liability, it is also true that 2/3 of all American corporations ALSO do not pay federal taxes.

Who do you think costs this country more in lost tax revenue - the poorest 48% of Americans, or 2/3 of our corporations?

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Chris Marisic
Chris Marisic Replied on June 29, 2011

@John Staple there is only one equitable solution. That is for every person and for every corporation to pay their fair share of taxes based on their impact (measured by consumption) on the United States. This would be the FAIR Tax.

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John Staple
John Staple Replied on June 29, 2011

I agree that everyone should pay their fair share of taxes - individuals and corporations alike. I just happen to disagree on how to achieve that goal.

I think that the notion of a fair tax or flat tax has been proven to be a regressive system of taxation. It would disproportionately burden people on the lower end of the income spectrum and benefit those on the higher end of the spectrum. Taxation should be based on income, not consumption.

I believe in a system of progressive taxation (as did Adam Smith), where there are no loopholes or exemptions for anyone. If such a system existed, tax rates could actually be lowered substantially. If you made (whether in wages or investments) $X a year, then you pay X% in taxes. If your company made $X in profit, then it pays X% in taxes. No exceptions.

That is the real fair tax.

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Chris Marisic
Chris Marisic Replied on June 29, 2011

@John Staple I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and not call you a liar. However I will specifically say you've been lied to. The FAIR Tax does not have to be a regressive tax system at all. The simplest way to avoid it from being a regressive tax is to institute a monthly prebate that creates a playing field very similar to the current standard deduction given to Americans. Instead of being paid that deduction once a year on April 15th and instead pay it out in 12 monthly payments each month. I however would change it such that the bottom 48% of Americans pays SOME tax, even if it amounts to $1/year. To live in America and pay absolutely $0 Federal tax (or worse be PAID BY THE GOVERNMENT) is just completely unsustainable.

If we would institute a FAIR Tax such as this and the revenue is somehow completely nowhere near 2 trillion dollars (the amount it cost the Federal government to run in the Clinton administration and how much revenue we currently collect) then I would open to exploring a progressive tax that is separate from the FAIR Tax. However I feel this would not be the case and that we would be able to collect our 2 trillion dollars yearly and have the Federal government live within its means. Preferably with a balanced budget amendment.

I disagree with your notion that a progressive tax system is fair at all, it by definition is unfair. Also the notion of taxing investments is absurd in its entirety. Capital gains tax should not exist for anyone for any reason period. Money that is invested is used by a business to engage in commerce, commerce is taxed. The money that was invested came from income originally which was taxed. When the investor is successful (no small feat) his proceeds are taxed a THIRD time. There is absolutely no reason the same dollar should be taxed THREE TIMES.

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John Staple
John Staple Replied on June 29, 2011

Clearly this an emotional issue for you, since you're so quick to consider a personal attack. As such, we'll just have to agree to disagree. I have no desire to get engaged in an ideological/political battle.

There's an old legal saw that says "If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts. If you have the law on your side, pound the law. If you have neither on your side, pound the table."

I'm not a big fan of pounding the table.

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Ramona  Winkelbauer
Ramona Winkelbauer Replied on June 29, 2011

I'd like to ask how raising the taxes on the rich worked for Ireland, since U2/Bono fled to the Netherlands where they don't have to pay taxes on their recording $$.?

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Chris Marisic
Chris Marisic Replied on June 30, 2011

@John Staple I accept your admission of I have no rebuttal.

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John Staple
John Staple Replied on June 30, 2011

You may call it whatever you like. I'm not going to waste my time on an ideologue.

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Chris Marisic
Chris Marisic Replied on June 30, 2011

@John Staple I put forth many factual statements, especially on disproving your remarks about the FAIR Tax is a regressive tax. I find alot of irony in the quote you provided when it sure appears it's you pounding the table :)

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Bernaanke isn't the solution to our economic problems. The problems are a direct result of misguided political wrangling. Cutting taxes and reducing spending are not the answers. The economy can't get moving again until people have jobs and income. The government should be pushing programs to develop infrastructure -- build and remodel schools, improve roads and bridges, develop mass transit systems and alternative energy resources. That'll put people to work and give them money to spend, and the country will end up with valuable assets. Taxes? They are lower than since the 50's and revenue is also the lowest in 5 decades. This in the face of a larger population and a more complicated set of needs. This country had it's greatest growth in the 35 years after WWII when the highest tax rate was 70%. We cannot solve the deficit problem by cutting expenses alone -- we have to increase taxes on those who have benefited most from the opportunities this great country gave them and their fathers. Take a lesson from the last great depression -- started in 1929, unemployment in 1938 was still over 20%. It has often been said that Roosevelt didn't fix the depression, WWII did, and that's right. The war put people to work making bombs, planes and ships -- none of which had any asset value when the war was over. But people had jobs and money in their pockets and it fired the economy for the next 35 years until the "trickle down" folks got a hold of the government planning. Common sense tells us that we can't fix the economy without jobs and tax cuts have never resulted in a booming economy.

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Corey Coombe
Corey Coombe Replied on June 29, 2011

Tax hikes spur economic growth? What planet are you from? After WWII, everyones manufacturing base in the world was bombed to crap, except ours. We could have the luxury of charging whatever we wanted on taxes because we were the only game in town. The reality of the situation today is much different from then, we have emerging economies that use a lot of resources. If we want jobs to return, we must be willing to challenge India and China for all that investment capital floating around.. right now, all that capital is flowing into China because they have the highest ROI for investors with their business friendly climate.

While here in the USA, our government seems to be doing its best to chase competition and investment capital out of the country. We have become an anti-business country, our government has been down right hostile businesses over the past couple of years, under the assumption that, we are America and we don't need to compete. News flash, we do need to compete, and the only way to get there is to match or beat China on its business and investment friendly climate. We will first have to start at the corporate tax rate and drop it to meet or beat Chinas at 25%... there is trillions of dollars made by American companies wordwide, but because we tax repatriated profits, that money will remain over seas. Lets drop that rate to zero to encourage that money come back. Capital gains taxes puts a boot on the neck of investment as well, nobody wants to sell assets to realize gains when they will be punished harshly... drop it to zero, it isn't needed, and it barely contributes to the government revenue stream.

If we want jobs to return, we must make America look attractive to invest in again, right now we are looking more and more like the Soviet Union, and we will continue on that decline to a collapse, just like they did unless we wise up and become a capitalist nation again through competition.

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Mel  Kleiman
President, Humetrics
Posted on June 23, 2011

As others have said he is doing a good to great job. But he is only one piece in the puzzle and we know what the picture looks like but too many other players have 1. There own picture. 2. Are not willing to share all of the pieces. 3. A lot of the pieces are missing.

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No. You can only, as is said, "squeeze so much blood out of turnip." If congress had let the twigs tax cuts expire and the top 2% and corporations start paying their fair share of taxes, we would be on our way out of this mess. I'm for responsible spending, but we need the $ to spend. The middle class by itself can't do it alone. Common sense tells us that spending more not less is the way out of a recession. It has worked for Roosevelt and other administrations in the past that have had to deal with an economy in such a state as ours is now.

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Rick Freeman
Rick Freeman Replied on June 28, 2011

The top 10% of income earners pay 70% of all Federal Income Taxes. In what world is it fair for 10% of the population to pay 70% of the bills? The problem with raising taxes on the rich is that if you keep doing it you will eventually run out of THEIR money. You could confiscate 100% of the income of the top 10% and still not cover the deficit in this year's budget.

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Scott Overmyer
Scott Overmyer Replied on June 29, 2011

The bottom 90% paid less than the top 10% because their income was proportionately lower. Your argument is a non-starter. The Top 10% make so much more money than the lower 90%, that the upper 10% can not imagine how they could possibly live in this economy on the income of the lower 90%. The gap is staggering.

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Corey Coombe
Corey Coombe Replied on June 29, 2011

lemme guess Obama supporter?

Tax hikes spur economic growth? What planet are you from? After WWII, everyones manufacturing base in the world was bombed to crap, except ours. We could have the luxury of charging whatever we wanted on taxes because we were the only game in town. The reality of the situation today is much different from then, we have emerging economies that use a lot of resources. If we want jobs to return, we must be willing to challenge India and China for all that investment capital floating around.. right now, all that capital is flowing into China because they have the highest ROI for investors with their business friendly climate.

While here in the USA, our government seems to be doing its best to chase competition and investment capital out of the country. We have become an anti-business country, our government has been down right hostile businesses over the past couple of years, under the assumption that, we are America and we don't need to compete. News flash, we do need to compete, and the only way to get there is to match or beat China on its business and investment friendly climate. We will first have to start at the corporate tax rate and drop it to meet or beat Chinas at 25%... there is trillions of dollars made by American companies wordwide, but because we tax repatriated profits, that money will remain over seas. Lets drop that rate to zero to encourage that money come back. Capital gains taxes puts a boot on the neck of investment as well, nobody wants to sell assets to realize gains when they will be punished harshly... drop it to zero, it isn't needed, and it barely contributes to the government revenue stream.

If we want jobs to return, we must make America look attractive to invest in again, right now we are looking more and more like the Soviet Union, and we will continue on that decline to a collapse, just like they did unless we wise up and become a capitalist nation again through competition.

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Chris Marisic
Chris Marisic Replied on June 29, 2011

@Corey Coombe fantastic reply.

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Brian LoCicero
Brian LoCicero Replied on June 29, 2011

Corey, quit cutting and pasting your response. We get it, okay?

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Corey Coombe
Corey Coombe Replied on June 29, 2011

Ok relax, I didn't want re type it out again for answering the same silly progressive ideology that after the last 4 years of Pelosi and 2 years of Obama we can all agree that government spending will NOT get this economy moving again.. It will not, Government spending to jump start an economy is aiken to taking a bucket of water out of one side of the pool and walking it over to the other side of the pool and dumping it in, you accomplish nothing but losing some of that water in the transfer.... When the stimulus package passed, for every dollar of spending the government had to borrow 40 cents from the open market. These treasury bills have to be put up on the same market as city muni's, and corporate bonds, and what is essentially doing is crowding out any chance of capital investment to other companies. Government cant spend unless it either takes from the citizen or borrows. The results of the stimulus boondoggle was predictable and avoidable, and turned out to be one MASSIVE thank you to special interests and government employee unions that our kids and grandkids will now have to be responsible for paying back. Is a travesty.

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Brian LoCicero
Brian LoCicero Replied on June 29, 2011

I just want to make sure that you're looking at all the government spending PRIOR to the dates/individuals you're citing above. Funny that when government spending happens OUTSIDE of our country one party doesn't typically count that as "government spending" versus spending it INSIDE of our country.

Let's face it, BOTH parties are robbing us blind and making us take it. Not sure you can blame our current condition on one or the other, they are both greedy parties who fill their OWN special needs.

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Roy Gertig
Roy Gertig Replied on July 4, 2011

Rick, it is fair because the people we are talking about make 99+% of the income, therefore should be paying their fare share. Of course, we're talking W2 /1099 type income. If the capital gains tax was put back where it was, we'd be better off also. Even Buffet talks about how his well paid secretary pays more in taxes than he does and outright said it isn't fair. Well, what will be done to fix this mess of inequities?

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