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What do you think of AT&T throttling data usage for the top 5%?

AT&T has introduced a new "service" for its most active users, reducing download speeds. After discontinuing Unlimited Data AT&T is trying to deal with the large amount of data the comes across its network. Throttled download speeds have been tested and go as low at 0.06 Mbps, compared to over 1 Mbsp for non-throttled devices.

What is your opinion on this? Are you part of the 5%? Is this a bad move for AT&T? Has AT&T addressed this properly to their customers?

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Michael Hayes
Marketing Coordinator
Posted on Feb. 14, 2012

I am one of the 5% and I am outraged at this. I am grandfathered into an "Unlimited Data" Plan and now AT&T is taking that away from me. Sure, they aren't limiting my data, but they are making the download rates so slow that it is useless. I sure hope that there is a negative backlash against this decision so that AT&T reverts this business decision.

As a customer I shouldn't be punished for AT&T's inability to keep up with market demands. Apps are growing in volume and ability. I watch Netflix on my way to work almost everyday and I know this is the reason for my rise to the Top 5%. Of course networks will be put to the test as the demand for data rises. Instead of throttling my download speeds, why not spend some of my $100 that I give AT&T every month and improve a network that is at capacity.

Maybe the government could throttle income for the Top 1%. Occupy data.

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John Lundin, PhD
John Lundin, PhD Replied on Feb. 19, 2012

As much as I understand some of the outrage, as a lesser user of data services, I am angry that I am subsidizing your data usage with higher rates that would be charged if we both paid by the Gig. As a business law professor used to say, "read me some law"... the most compelling argument you can make is to quote your entitlement from the contract that you agreed to. Personally I recall that when I bought my iPhone 3GS from ATT, I was contractually bound to be in the top plan at $30/mo. for as long as I used the iPhone (of course I have no copy of that contract, but if I were really wanting to put some teeth into my argument, I would find the words that legally bound ATT to the *unlimited* and any *quality of service* issues (I now use an Android phone, live under a 2Gig plan and still pay only $5 less that the unlimited plan that I had with the 3GS)... I am actually surprised that I have not seen a *throttling class action* lawsuit.

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John Lundin, PhD
John Lundin, PhD Replied on Feb. 19, 2012

PS Here is the 2012 service agreement (I am quite sure that the ATT legal beagles have covered their collective butts by now)... What you really need is the agreement from when you started unlimited service:
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/legal/index.jsp?q_termsKey=wir...

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John Lundin, PhD
John Lundin, PhD Replied on Feb. 19, 2012

PPS and here is a PDF for the iPhone 3GS that mentions the $30 unlimited plan bundled with every phone (under plans)... but I am sure that if you have moved to another phone (like I have), the new phone is probably covered under the "then current" wireless agreement which would probably begin to put limits on "unlimited":
http://www.att.com/wireless/iphone/en/iReady_checklist.pdf

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Andrew Baker
Andrew Baker Replied on Feb. 21, 2012

The pricing was based on data models that are no longer accurate. Yes, their mistake, but they believe they have figured out a way to compensate for that mistake, while not losing the marketing wars outright.

And I've already had my fun with poor service vendors like Sprint, so if I were on AT&T, moving to Sprint would not be viable for me.

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Steven Moody
Consultant and Entrepreneur, Beachhead Marketing
Posted on Feb. 18, 2012

AT&T is applying the "Angel Customer Demon Customer" approach from Best Buy:
http://www.amazon.com/Angel-Customers-Demon-Discover-Turbo-Charge/dp/1591840074

As a demon customer I would hate this, but it means AT&T can support more customers without building infrastructure and that will help their stock. The best part? Their worst customers will leave for services that offer unlimited data, such as Sprint, thus bringing down the quality of other networks.

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Andrew Baker
Andrew Baker Replied on Feb. 21, 2012

Steven, perhaps they were inspired by this: http://www.dilbert.com/fast/2012-02-19/

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Larry Carvalho
Consultant/SI, RobustCloud
Posted on Feb. 19, 2012

I think this is appropriate BUT... it should be intelligent throttling down. Throttle only when these 5% users are in a location where they are hurting the experience of the rest of the 95%. Makes no sense to throttle them down at 3 AM in the morning when network bandwidth is not being used anyways. I am an unlimited user but my usage spikes up only when I am at a location where there is no w-fi available and my average monthly usage probably falls in the bottom 25%.

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Ben Schorr
CEO,CFO,VP,Director, Roland Schorr & Tower
Posted on Feb. 19, 2012

I think we're going to see more and more of this. Unlimited flat-rate bandwidth was the tease that got you in the door but in the age of Cloud computing, Netflix, Facebook, Siri and streaming media the bandwidth companies are looking for ways to get a bigger piece of the pie from the now-dependant customers.

And it's something that needs to be factored into our deliberations when it comes to on-premises vs. cloud hosted data. Access to the cloud is increasingly not "free" - especially as the data volume grows.

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Andrew Baker
Andrew Baker Replied on Feb. 21, 2012

Indeed Ben. To add to you points, one should also work into one's contracts stipulations for changes of this nature (easier to do at a corporate level vs personal level)

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Companies such as AT&T are in business for profit. If they are not making profit out of the unlimited plan then one of two things has to happen, increase the cost of unlimited plan or charge folks for data usage. I am for charging folks for data usage. Unlimited data is a sort of socialism where the cost is spread across many customers. Even though I currently have a grandfathered unlimited plan, I only use my PDA to pick up email or use maps to find direction when I am lost.

Of course all good things have to end because of abuse and if AT&T was not throttling bandwidth then they probably will have to cut off unlimited usage for their existing customers like Sprint did with their 3/4G card.

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Douglas Karr
Douglas Karr Replied on Feb. 19, 2012

TJ, your assumption is that AT&T does not profit from these users. Any evidence of that? And it's not "abuse" when you offer a feature that your users take full advantage of. As I said before, if AT&T wants to make this 'fair', they'll throttle all of the users that use above average bandwidth AND REFUND all of those that are underutilizing the network. I'm sure there are enough users underutilizing the network to make up for those using it beyond AT&T's expectations.

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T J
T J Replied on Feb. 19, 2012

Hi Doug,
You are right, I was making an assumption that AT&T was not making a profit. My assumption was based on my experience with VOIP. When companies such as Vonage was offering unlimited calls they had a soft limit clause in their fine print. This soft limit was when they figured that they were losing money on that account.

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I have one of those grandfathered "unlimited" accounts. Haven't been really using it but kept it "just in case." In reality I'll save money by just dropping back to the 2GB plan. Frankly, if I need it, I don't mind paying for it. Going rate seems to be $10/GB. I'd just as soon see them just charge that rate and allow you to set a "safety" or "runaway app" cap instead of having all these "tiers." If I have a need, then I can choose to pay the extra when I need it. If I don't, then I save.

Now competition will fix this ultimately. Even today you can always move to Sprint if you want truly "unlimited." Frankly, I like the idea of "pay as you go." First, it is fair. Second, it deters frivolous bandwidth hogging. But perhaps more importantly, it is an incentive to the providers to maximize their bandwidth because they are making more money if they deliver more GB per unit time.

I'm simply going to drop my "Unlimited" plan as it is clearly no longer "Unlimited" in the original sense of the term.

Bottom line, Vote With Your Wallet.

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Andrew Baker
Director, Service Operations, SWN Communications Inc.
Posted on Feb. 21, 2012

It's not cool, but it's also not unexpected either.

This allows them to get the benefit of being able to offer "unlimited bandwidth" (vs capping everyone) while not having to upgrade any faster than they might have wanted to previously.

Upgrades cost money, and interfere with their bottom line, and they are having to compete with Verizon and others from a marketing perspective as well.

Some of the other players (i.e. Sprint) can afford to offer unlimited unlimited because they don't have the number of customer AT&T does. We'll see how they react when they either get more customers or see how AT&T is able to profit from this.

To me, it was inevitable that the unlimited bandwidth scenarios would eventually bite the dust -- especially in the mobile arena, where people can literally be on the devices all day.

Will they lose enough customers to matter? Only time will tell.

-ASB: http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

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Don Babcock
Don Babcock Replied on Feb. 21, 2012

I agree. Frankly, I'd rather they just charge $10/GB (the going rate) instead of the tiered deal. I average around 3/4 GB month but they've craftily set their "tiers" at 250MB and then jump all the way to 2 GB. I doubt anyone with a smart phone does less than 250MB/month these days. So I have to pay for the $25/month-2GB plan whereas most months I'd get along on a GB just fine. If you want to listen to music all day on Pandora or a webcast station then you can pay for what you use but the rest of us can save.

I'd rather pay and get reliable bandwidth because they have the revenue and incentive to keep the systems competitive than have some "unlimited" service with spotty performance. Who needs "unlimited poor performance."

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Kevin Pinel
IT/IS Manager, Wyvern Computing
Posted on Feb. 19, 2012
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Welcome to the real world guys. Many countries operate this way

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Rafael Cabrera
Rafael Cabrera Replied on Feb. 19, 2012

@Kevin Pinel, it's irrelevant how it is in other countries, we (USA) we expect companies (AT&T) to uphold their promise as a brand and they have not.

We've been with AT&T since the iPhone was introduced and its service has never been as good as Verizon. We were with them since the Palm came out.

We are part of the 5% of "heavy" users, it was what they offered when we signed up. To leave AT&T it would mean not being able to multi-task between app and about $1,400 in breaking other contracts.

A company will one day coming and disrupt AT&T; we move one . . . (Kevin, that's the way we do it in this country.

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Michael Ryan
Michael Ryan Replied on Feb. 19, 2012

Rafael, it may be possible that the change in service may permit you to cancel your contract without penalty. Check with your attorney.

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Marion Fisch
Marion Fisch Replied on Feb. 19, 2012

Way to go Rafael!

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Rafael Cabrera
Rafael Cabrera Replied on Feb. 20, 2012

Thanks for the feedback. The only way for something to change their minds is a massive movement from heavy users. Legally I don't know, but the fight needs to be market-driven. Unless of course we move to other countries and then . . . oh wait, I think our current government is taken care of that.

iPhone users U N I T ! ! ! !

I think someone should do a bumper sticker like the ones you see on the road where a Chevy or Ford is being peeped on by the other guy. Albeit, here the guy us holding an iPhone and texting while "he" pees on the AT&T logo . . . LOL

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John Lundin, PhD
CEO/CIO, AskDrJohn
Posted on Feb. 19, 2012
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1- If the service providers had not been so irresponsible to offer a class of service that spawned wasteful usage and applications, they would not have this problem today...
2- Coming from an era when my network access was measured and charged by the *kilo* bit (that makes me slightly older than dirt!).
3- Realizing that network capacity is similar to every other capacity and has a certain percentage of users who require greater expenditure to build the infrastructure to keep up with demand (which we all get to subsidize with higher rates for smaller amounts of use (my 2Gig plan costs almost as much as an unlimited plan))
... I have little sympathy for users who think that unlimited data is not costly to us others, but I have even less sympathy for the providers who got themselves into this spot... How about this for a solution: Go to a tiered system (which has no unlimited) and credit (back to their current payment) the "unlimited" users with the number of months that they have had their unlimited service (sooooo, somebody who has been paying for "unlimited" for 39 months at $30 per month gets say 6Gig for $30 until May of 2015... That (to a lesser extent) would throttle the excessive users, and would punish the service providers for making such a silly contract for unlimited data in the first place... J

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Annette Nunez
Annette Nunez Replied on Feb. 19, 2012

Are we not looking at something salient here? It appears that AT&T is not denying service. They are not providing the top 5% the service at the highest speeds, but the 5% can still get service and it is unlimited - albeit slow as dial up. So, unless their contracts state that they will provide data service at a particular speed, technically AT&T may be living up to their end of the bargain.

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John Lundin, PhD
John Lundin, PhD Replied on Feb. 20, 2012

...right, and those terms might be specified in the service agreement... and then again, they may not.

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Craig Mills
IT/IS Manager, Advance-Tech Services
Posted on Feb. 19, 2012
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If my plan calls for unlimited, it should be a breach of contract to throttle my download.

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John Lundin, PhD
John Lundin, PhD Replied on Feb. 19, 2012

...all you need is the actual contract documentation...

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Andrew Baker
Andrew Baker Replied on Feb. 21, 2012

Not necessarily. As John and others have pointed out, you'd need to have both the bandwidth volume and speed outlined in the contract for this to be true.

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Douglas Karr
CEO, DK New Media
Posted on Feb. 19, 2012
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If they are going to throttle the top 5%, will they be refunding all of the customers that are using below average bandwidth? That's the real question! The answer? No.

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John Cook
Systems Administrator, Partnership for Strong Families
Posted on Feb. 19, 2012
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It's probably not going to win them any fans, especially since T Mobile is still offering true unlimited access for their customers. Just as the Bank of America announcement they were going to charge ATM fees raised the ire of it's customers and prompted several to jump ship so too will a number of AT&T customers.

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AT&T and Verizon are the only REAL nationwide competitors. With an oligopoly what do you expect? They are going to 'earn' as MUCH money as possible by charging as MUCH as they can and spending as LITTLE as they can.

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Manuel Castillo
Marketing Manager
Posted on Feb. 19, 2012
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Ridiculous, phone companies have been buying competitors and now are in cahoots to give less value and charge more money.

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Ben Schorr
Ben Schorr Replied on Feb. 19, 2012

Well, not that I approve of it, but they are for-profit companies so it's hard to fault them for taking advantage of a chance to make more money. They're not charities.

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AT&T sucks and always has sucked the blood from up and coming people to make their bottom line, alas they have no shame, just like most Republicans.

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