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What is the food vs. fuel debate?

Asked at: Biofuels in Africa

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Robert  Rapier
Chief Technology Officer, Merica International
Posted on June 8, 2011

In a nutshell, there is a finite amount of arable land on the earth, and growing crops for biofuels means that there is less land for growing food. That is the debate.

We need both food and fuel, so we have to make sure that our fuel needs are met without driving up food prices. Good options are biofuel crops that can be grown on non-arable land (hilly land, marginal soils, brackish waters, etc.) or crops that produce food and fuel (e.g., crops that either produce fuel with a food by-product, or vice-versa).

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Andrew McKillop
Consultant / Author
Posted on June 8, 2011
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If we only talk about so-called "current generation" food crop based biofuels, not would be's could be's and maybe's, it is perfect madness to push biofuels production because that can only push food prices higher.The UN's FAO says that too.

The USA isnt at all shielded from higher food prices, for one major reason because of corn ethanol and soybean biodiesel production and crop take. US energy planners do not seem to understand US food trade surpluses are shrinking fast, and biofuels production can only accelerate that trend.What happens when US food import costs are larger than US food export revenues ?

In Europe with less land available the situation is even more stark, in the European case concerning colza or rapeseed biodiesel production impacts on livestock feed and human food supply. European colza biodiesel production costs are as high as $ 190 per barrel, giving some idea of the subsidies needed.

More efficient urban transport and simple legislation to achieve higher gas mileages for smaller cars are surely two ways out on the demand side.

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Stafford Williamson
Stafford Williamson Replied on June 8, 2011

The origin of the debate of food versus fuel (to the best of my knowledge) was based on a miscalculation in a World Bank report from several years ago which they have since refuted and the report was withdrawn. The assumption also was based on the idea that food production would not increase over the coming decades as the world population expands, which, based on the nearly miraculous advances of the last 70 years seems an excessively pessimistic perspective. For example, hydroponics has been shown to produce increased yields and reduced pest problems on almost every crop that has ever been seriously attempted as a hydroponic instead of soil based crop. Granted Redwood trees may not be suitable, but you can never please everyone.

Furthermore, the 4% of the worlds grains used in corn-based ethanol production actually represent the SAME grains that are going to feed cattle as an IMPROVED feed supplement (as compared to grains not previously used in the alcohol production process). Opponents of biofuels seem to have imagined that all biofuel advocates live this cartoonish life imitating Henry VIII who (in the cartoons) takes one bite of a turkey drumstick and tosses the rest over his shoulder. Do you imagine that soy beans are squeezed for every last drop of oil, and while that is made into biodiesel the rest of the bean is being buried in a landfill?

The "there's only so much land" is a good argument to raise the price of a Malibu house with an ocean view, but algae, which is grown in water can be cultivated with no land at all, or using brackish deposits of water, unsuitable for other plants, that is available even in the middle of the New Mexico and Arizona deserts. Fuel from algae has recently been tested by the USAF, and methods are now available to turn it directly into jet fuel. In fact, there was even an experiment that dried it to a fine powder and burned the dry powder to power a (stationary mounted) jet turbine engine. And it all of that isn't enough to set your mind at rest, algae is already used as a food in some parts of the world, including where I grew up in Eastern Canada. A breed of macro-scale algae (usually called "seaweed") named "Dulse" is dried and packaged as a specialty food that us kids treated like candy. In Africa a high protein supplement is added to children's foods in a malnutrition prevention project.

Oh, yes, there are areas that are ILLEGALLY being deforested in the world, even a few legal ones when the politicians bribes get large enough, but the whole "indirect land use cost" argument is equivalent to calling for restrictions on turkey farmers in North Dakota based on how many Blue MacCaws are projected to be smuggled out of Brazil in March of the year 2067. There is not a rational basis for claiming a causal connection, short of corruption or eco-thuggery.

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Stafford Williamson
President, DaoChi Energy of Arizona (div. of Williamson Information Technologies Corp.)
Posted on June 9, 2011
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Phoney "food vs. fuel" debate

This so-called "debate" is largely a manufactured urban myth based on speculation that eventually there COULD be a conflict. That is not an ethical and moral dilemma that should be ignored, but it is not an imminent danger either. There is no actual worldwide shortage of food supplies. Actual food shortages are almost entirely a political problem, or an economic issue, which may also be related to illegal activities and official corruption.

Occasionally a "deforestation" is officially sanctioned by a government seeking to see a taxable enterprise as a source of income, but the rarely seen illegal deforestation projects as we see in Indonesia or Malaysia should hardly be blamed on those legitimately attempting to meet the world's energy demands.

Canada, Britain, the USA, and Australia all have government programs that pay farmers NOT to grow certain crops in order to help maintain local prices and markets. Short stemmed hybrid varieties of grains, including rice, have virtually eliminated the vast systemic shortages of India and much of Asia. There is no shortage of food worldwide, there are just problems of equitable and economic distribution. Charitable organizations can provide temporary relief in the face of floods and droughts bringing on local famine, but the long term benefits are not nearly as much as the kind of sustainable economic and infrastructure development that DaoChi Energy projects provide.

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Stafford Williamson
Stafford Williamson Replied on June 9, 2011

Sometimes I stand amazed that I have not developed some kind of nick name like "Bulldog" because I really don't like to leave things half finished. So although I may have satisfied some curiosity about Food v Fuel, I think I gave a better explanation in this passage I wrote a few days ago, so I'll repeat it here, in case anybody really wants a fuller answer:

Let’s put this argument to REST for ONCE and FOR ALL

The origin of the debate of food versus fuel (to the best of my knowledge) was based on a miscalculation in a World Bank report from several years ago which they have since refuted and the report was withdrawn. The assumption also was based on the idea that food production would not increase over the coming decades as the world population expands, which, based on the nearly miraculous advances of the last 70 years seems an excessively pessimistic perspective. For example, hydroponics has been shown to produce increased yields and reduced pest problems on almost every crop that has ever been seriously attempted as a hydroponic instead of soil based crop. Granted Redwood trees may not be suitable, but you can never please everyone.

Furthermore, the 4% of the worlds grains used in corn-based ethanol production actually represent the SAME grains that are going to feed cattle as an IMPROVED feed supplement (as compared to grains not previously used in the alcohol production process). Opponents of biofuels seem to have imagined that all biofuel advocates live this cartoonish life imitating Henry VIII who (in the cartoons) takes one bite of a turkey drumstick and tosses the rest over his shoulder. Do you imagine that soy beans are squeezed for every last drop of oil, and while that is made into biodiesel the rest of the bean is being buried in a landfill?

The “there’s only so much land” is a good argument to raise the price of a Malibu house with an ocean view, but algae, which is grown in water can be cultivated with no land at all, or using brackish deposits of water, unsuitable for other plants, that is available even in the middle of the New Mexico and Arizona deserts. Fuel from algae has recently been tested by the USAF, and methods are now available to turn it directly into jet fuel. In fact, there was even an experiment that dried it to a fine powder and burned the dry powder to power a (stationary mounted) jet turbine engine. And if all of that isn’t enough to set your mind at rest, algae is already used as a food in some parts of the world, including where I grew up in Eastern Canada. A breed of macro-scale algae (usually called “seaweed”) named “Dulse” is dried and packaged as a specialty food that us kids treated like candy. In Africa a high protein supplement is added to children’s foods in a malnutrition prevention project.


Oh, yes, there are areas that are ILLEGALLY being deforested in the world, even a few legal ones when the politicians bribes get large enough, but the whole “indirect land use cost” argument is equivalent to calling for restrictions on turkey farmers in North Dakota based on how many Blue Macaws are projected to be smuggled out of Brazil in March of the year 2067. There is not a rational basis for claiming a causal connection, short of corruption or eco-thuggery.
Sincerely,

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Michael Hayes
Michael Hayes Replied on Aug. 4, 2011

Thank you Stafford for all of this information. It is a lot to "digest" and I am sure that most people are unaware of what the government is doing to control food supplies.

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Fidelis Onu
MANAGING DIRECTOR, ISON NIGERIA LIMITED
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Human needs are insatiable...the fuel vs food debate is only gathering momentum. So long as global warming issues continue redefining energy sources and corporate responsibility to host communities and the environment.
The globe will be benefit tremendously if the West invests more in the education of Sub Saharan Africa as poverty levels in this region has the potential of tipping the scale unfavorably for the environment...me thinks.

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Fidelis Onu
MANAGING DIRECTOR, ISON NIGERIA LIMITED
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Has any one ever heard of 'Jatropha'. Its non edible, resilient cos it can thrive on marginal lands and can produce more biofuels per surface area than many edible crops.
Governments may need to to take proactive measures by providing this crop to farmers using extension services....me thinks

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