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Why has the user experience on ERP products historically been so bad?

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Bob Swedroe
President & CEO, Expandable Software
Posted on Aug. 12, 2011

A poor user experience can be the result of decisions made even before the ERP evaluation or the implementation processes begin. For example:

1) Insufficient level of Executive support for project. Without proper Executive support, company buy-in and passion will be hard to obtain. In addition, there will probably be little to no accountability, thereby increasing the probability of failure.

2) The ERP project is considered an IT project, or a Finance project. In order for an ERP project to be successful, it needs to be a multi-functional project or in other words a company project. If all functions are not involved in the requirements document, evaluation and implementation then there is little chance that all functional needs will be met and the ERP solution capabilities will not be fully leveraged.

3) Inadequate due diligence by the company on critical non-functional related aspects of the ERP vendor that you can not obtain by attending demos. These include:
* Quality of the software in real life deployments
* Quality of the Customer Support organization
* Is the ERP vendor just a vendor or a business partner to your success
* Will the ERP solution scale to meet your growth forecasts

For those interested in a more detailed description and other elements to consider, please see my executive brief on ERP Due Diligence in Focus.com (http://www.focus.com/briefs/reference-checking-erp-selection/).

4) Not enough time or thought devoted to mapping out the best process for your company to use once Go-Live is triggered. If the process is not mapped correctly or inefficiently, this will lead to immediate issues as employees will be looking for work-arounds to get the job done or just become frustrated as the ERP solution will become a burden to accomplish their everyday tasks and responsibilities.

5) Inadequate training prior to go-live

All of any of the above can lead to a poor match between your business requirements and the selected ERP solution capabilities. By definition, this will lead to frustration by the user and a bad user experience.

From a post-go live perspective, the main issues that can lead to a bad user experience are:

1) Lack of a super user that can help others in the company; always nice to have one person that knows many of the tips and tricks as well as some of the lesser known capabilities of the ERP system.

2) Inadequate on-going training for users. Without on-going training, the company will most likely not be aware of all the new capabilities and technologies that are being delivered by the ERP company. In addition, when new employees are hired, if they are not properly trained, they will simply use the ERP solution, the same way and perhaps the less efficient way that the company has used for a long time.

3) Not enough dialogue with the ERP company so that the ERP company understands your particular situation and continuing changing requirements and operation pain points that you will encounter as your company grows. This is a two way street, as the company does need to reach out if the ERP company is not proactive enough to contact you and the ERP company culture needs to be one of business partnering as mentioned above.

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Michael Krigsman
CEO, Asuret Inc.
Posted on Aug. 15, 2011

ERP, by definition, involves software that cuts across multiple departments and information silos. That fact alone makes ERP difficult to implement and get right. Much of that difficulty has nothing to do with the software itself. The problems arise because many organizations have great difficulty getting people to communicate across the silos.

Give this situation, it's no wonder that many companies have trouble implementing ERP. However, can we really blame either the software vendor or the software because the customer does not run its own organization well?

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John McCoy
Solutions Architect, Perceptive Software
Posted on Aug. 16, 2011

From what I’ve seen and experienced, there’s plenty of blame to go around for these issues. Customer and vendors alike tend to approach ERP without the appropriate level of respect for the gravity of the undertaking.

I have yet to be involved with an enterprise software purchase where the vendor sales team didn’t try to oversell. Artfully speaking around gaps in product capabilities and downplaying the level of effort to produce customizations are par for the course.

On the other side of the table customers typically have only a vague idea of what they want and need. There’s a general unwillingness to put forth the time and effort required to refine and clarify their requirements, objectives, and goals. Further, there’s a general lack of efforts to make sure they’ve conveyed their objectives and expectations effectively. As a general rule, the more a company needs ERP, the harder they will likely be to work with. It’s the kind of investment that typically gets put off until it’s undeniable. By this point, the customer needs a full process re-engineering effort to accompany the ERP deployment.

On most other types of software deployments, this tug-of-war between client and vendor is expected and accepted. The end product may take a little longer, miss a few “nice-to-have” requirements, and cost a little more, but that’s just how these things work. Close enough is good enough. With ERP however, these niceties have an exponentially worse impact. In more and more cases they’re all together lethal.

In closing, if this is to change, customers need to be aware of the gravity of the undertaking. Ultimately, the customer is the one spending their money and they bear the bulk of responsibility to ensure they’re getting their money’s worth.

That said, on the vendor side, I personally believe sales team incentives need to be adjusted so that they have some skin in the game all the way through successful deployment. They also need to be trained in how to recognize disasters coming and be able to either persuade customers to increase their dedication and investment or walk away.

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Bob Swedroe
President & CEO, Expandable Software
Posted on Aug. 15, 2011

Steve,

I blame the customer only if they didn't do their due diligence before making the ERP selection decision. For example, if you need a nice family care and end up buying a seat convertible, do you blame the car manufacturer of the convertible? Or if you buy a TV that has terrible ratings and reviews, don't you think the buyer has some responsibility to check things out?

An ERP solution is a very important decision and the proper due diligence must be performed. I noticed that you didn't disagree with any of my points, so I assume you think they have validity,

I also point out that it is a two way street, if the ERP solution provider is not going to be your business partner, then your chances of having a great user experience will probably be diminished. As i try to point out, the only single source of the truth about the ERP experience is not from the ERP sales team nor the ERP executive team, but rather their customers. All a company has to do is ask their customers to see if what they think about the ERP solution.

I do agree with you that many companies will select the ERP solution from the sales team with which they have the greatest chemistry. Clearly, that is not a sound business decision. Just like buying a car, because you liked the sales person.

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Steve Christensen
Chairman/CEO, Babbleware Inc.
Posted on Aug. 15, 2011

Michael - you are absolutely correct...ERP cuts across departments and information silos and a lack of communication can frustrate its implementation. I would go one step further and say that communication and change is a universal problem.

Therefore, unless the software vendor developed their solution for an alternate universe where everyone sings cum by ah all day long and nothing every changes, they are responsible. They chose an architecture that isn't responsive to the customers reality. They chose to make their software so complex as to impact multiple departments and information silos in a manner incongruent with the customers business. And worse,they fund a marketing message that promises something which they are inherently incapable of acheiving.

The customer is responsible for their decision to make any such investment...I agree...but after 20+ years of pain and suffering you'd think the ERP companies would step back and think...hmmmm....maybe we have the wrong tool...or perhaps we aren't solving the actual problems that the customer has in their business. I guess if the customer keeps buying the same problems year after year and investing in the maintenance contracts year after year...what else is the ERP company supposed to do? Tell them the truth? In that regard I think they are responsible for their own part in the charade.

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Michael Krigsman
Michael Krigsman Replied on Aug. 15, 2011

Steve, what would you differently -- to address the cross-silo problem,deliver full functionality, and still make it easy for the enterprise?

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Steve Christensen
Steve Christensen Replied on Aug. 15, 2011

Michael - we've already done it...http://www.babblewareinc.com/index.php/about-2/ We understand you can't change everyone. So we've created agile enterprise software that responds to the exact needs and opportunity of a company (or individuals, for that matter) that want to change. They determine how they want to change, what that change means and we simply follow their expertise. No pre-written software barriers - no need to replace/modify/integrate the legacy applications - no disruption to their current business - investment only when the solution is proven. Basically stop trying to eat the elephant all at once and telling the customer how to prepare the meal. Let their needs dictate.

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David Chassels
David Chassels Replied on Aug. 15, 2011

Surely today everyone is "connected" just need a browser? This breaks the "silo" mentality. The next step is focus on people collaborating in their own "value networks" across the enterprise and outside. With tools such as Steve describes and here with UK based Procession to reflect the real world ERP is just a redundant expensive deployment. If you need a book keeping system with debits and credits they do a job and cheap as chips but they do not run the business. The reality is control your creation of information income and expenditure audit trails etc double entry takes care of itself? We all know just because a trail balance squares does not mean everything is OK? ERP is getting close to "the emperor's clothes…….?

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Michael Krigsman
Michael Krigsman Replied on Aug. 16, 2011

David, would you explain how merely accessing software through a browser "breaks the silos"? You may be right, but I just don't see the connection.

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David Chassels
David Chassels Replied on Aug. 16, 2011

The silos are a consequence of natural evolution from a very basic foundation of computerisation in business. There is little doubt had we started off with what we now have such archaic structures would not exist. One of the most powerful steps is the fact that connectivity for people any where is the powerful but simple browser. This I believe is the door opener to start the journey to fix what is a bit of a legacy mess. New “Business Technology” will create powerful application whose driver will be interactions with people who are the source of all information. These applications will act as “Process Hubs” handling front office support and the required related back office in one environment transcending the silo barriers and reflecting how business actually works. New levels of agility make this environment quite dynamic something such as ERP does not support. However the “silos” contain valuable historical data and what computers did well which is “processing” data – the original payroll bureaus being a good example. These new applications will orchestrate their use as required.
We will end up with remote servers and people at the end of browsers (middleware may also become redundant?) SaaS is a reflection of this as an interim fix but will become simply a payment method as over time the silos are broken down and the dynamic Process Hub applications where SaaS deployed become readily transferred in house or other more competitive suppliers. This will be part of future contracts not just getting back data but the underlying process which will have been customised over time. Meanwhile people are unaffected by the way they work with their required information via the browser (and no doubt its future even simpler successors) hence such easy access is the key to tackling the silos issue linked to next generation “Business Technology”.

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Fair point but maybe such vertical solutions are not "ERP"? Enterprise Resource Planning? Not a phrase used in business today? Time this was confined to history books? The move is towards People in not System out driving any org? Business is not complex step by step action with very few generic task types that addresses all business logic which frankly never changes. "IT" has made business complex and long overdue for change as George Colony CEO of Forrester said “If we don’t get from IT to BT [Business Technology] we’re going to have more disasters like our present mortgage meltdown. Why? Because IT creates impenetrable systems that human beings can’t manage. BT is about human beings back in control.” ERP is certainly not Business Technology!

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Steve Christensen
Steve Christensen Replied on Aug. 15, 2011

David - I like the distinction: IT v. BT.

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Michael Krigsman
Michael Krigsman Replied on Aug. 15, 2011

David, a significant percentage of the world's financial transactions touch an ERP system. In our quest to make life easier for users, let's also be careful not to throw away the core data on which business relies.

Check out this panel discussion, which I moderated: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/projectfailures/social-crm-in-context-expert-panel-...

Although it's not about ERP, it covers a similar set of issues regarding CRM.

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Steve Christensen
Steve Christensen Replied on Aug. 15, 2011

Michael - I completely agree. You cannot throw away ERP or any of the legacy applications. These applications do well what they were intended to do: consolidate financials. By leaving this generation of software in place, call it E1.0, E2.0 can evolve "on top" of those systems.

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David Chassels
David Chassels Replied on Aug. 16, 2011

I am currently writing a White Paper on how a Process Hub (the step beyond BPM which is a process layer) approach can bring transformation and agility where it matters yet use the valuable information in legacy whether ERP or not. My point is think very carefully about buying into ERP there are now better alternatives. Steve is right ERP consolidates financials which makes like easy for the CFO but not business users and what a price. They will be processing and historical data stores but Process Hubs reflect how business really works delivering the business outcomes?

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David van Toor
Principal, No Plan B
Posted on Aug. 16, 2011

Having spent the best part of 2 decades with ERP Software companies, the answer is sadly obvious. User experience with traditional ERP apps is poor, because User Experience was never a factor in the design of the software. The focus originally was on functionality. Anyone who designed Software Evaluation Projects in the 90's or sat through the tedious two-day vendor selection sessions can attest to this. Both developers and customers were focused on "What" it did, not "How" it did it.

UX has become a factor in recent years, as ERP functionality has become a commodity, but by then it's case a putting the proverbial lipstick on a pig - looks better at first glance, but it's still a pig.

It takes a new application, designed with UX as a factor with equal weighting in the design process as functionality to really change this picture. At the light side of the ERP Spectrum we see this with QB OnLine.

What Salesforce.com did to CRM, a new vendor can do for ERP.

DvT

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Steve Christensen
Steve Christensen Replied on Aug. 16, 2011

David - excellent point...to which I would add not only did they focus on the What v. the How...they also kept compounding their problem by adding more and more What's. What once was a Financial Application or HR Application or Manufacturing/MES Application all of sudden became this sludge of software that was going to fix it all.

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Michael Krigsman
Michael Krigsman Replied on Aug. 26, 2011

I have to agree - the roots of traditional ERP started about 30 years ago, and interface technology (and sophistication) at that time was not the same as it is today. With the growth of SaaS solutions, the UX tends to receive greater attention than in the past. When smart people focus on a problem, it tends to push toward improvement, which is exactly what is happening today.

Look at Workday's product and even SAP's new Sales OnDemand product. These products are worlds apart from most traditional ERP products in terms of UX.

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Rob Goris
UX Architect, Openbravo
Posted on Sept. 5, 2011

Great discussion, let me add my bit and share my experiences in my three years tenure as a user experience architect for an opensource ERP.

As an outsider without much relevant domain knowledge I was hired to redesign the GUI & important functionality of our product. Being a designer, I did what designers normally do and started out analyzing the existing product, looking at the competition, observing users and interviewing experts. And yes, as most of us already agreed, I also discovered that the UX of most ERP software is indeed very bad. My top 5 of reasons is:

(1) Most ERP systems are designed around early 90s database architecture. Due to its complexity it is very hard to roll things back.
(2) Whereas consumer products are typically designed by designers (think iPhone, Facebook, cars, online shops), ERPs (and business applications in general) were mostly designed by engineers. This is changing now but, because of (1), it is very hard for designers to undo the damage.
(3) Most ERP systems are sold by business people to other business people. Business people look at different criteria than an end user would and the person buying the software is not the same as the person using it.
(4) Most ERP systems are sold from a Powerpoint presentation. This leads to decision making based on the amount of features rather than usability, flexibility and openness. Sales people can use a lot of smoke and mirrors and by doing so, can easily over-promise.
(5) Users do not get the opportunity to test-drive the software before buying. So sales people can get away with selling unusable software. When the contract is signed the, the customer does not want to hear his own people complain as the choice of ERP cannot be undone easily. Unlike consumer applications or web sites, users of business software are forced to use it. They simply have no choice and their feedback is not heard.

Recently I wrote about my experiences in the redesign of an ERP system and how we applied user-centered design:
http://openbravouxlab.blogspot.com/2011/06/openbravo-3-design-process.html
Or (if you don´t feel like reading), here´s a 2 minute overview: http://youtu.be/OLaLQPbFEeQ

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Steve Christensen
Chairman/CEO, Babbleware Inc.
Posted on Aug. 15, 2011
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Unlike Bob, I won't blame the customer for making a bad buying decision. The size and complexity of these purchases are so overwhelming that it is virtually impossible for the customer to make a decision that doesn't have some degree of error/misunderstanding. Often the customer will migrate to the sales team with which they have the greatest chemistry.

The sheer size and reach of these systems makes the user experience difficult. The implementation of an ERP touches every corner of the business. Their effect can feel like the entire company has been transported into a completely different market, with different customers, products, competition, regulations, etc. And given that it happens over the course of time (i.e. one department gets there before the others)...it can be very upsetting to the users. Imagine a $10B company swapping out employees, markets, etc. You would expect problems.

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Steve Christensen
Chairman/CEO, Babbleware Inc.
Posted on Aug. 15, 2011

Bob - buying a car or TV or an ERP is the responsibility of the consumer/customer....I agree. As you know customers buying an ERP perform extensive due diligence: RFI, RFP, Demonstrations, site visits, reference checks, etc. And yet, in spite of all of their due diligence the user experience is poor.

To use your reference to buying a car, even if I perform all of the due diligence in the world I would be less than happy to discover after purchasing the car that I can't drive it on certain roads, can't make left hand turns or u-turns, etc. To do that requires that I modify the engine, buy new tires and have a custom steering wheel and dashboard installed.

The ERP company that discloses all of these restrictions to their customer, explicitly, may win a round of applause for honesty - but no one would buy that vehicle. So instead the gray areas are allowed to exist. The gap between what a customer expects and what the system can actually do is left as a fuzzy area. No matter how honest the ERP vendor is there are certain assumptions that the customer is making about the "vehicle". I wouldn't think to ask about being able to make u-turns during a demo, RFI, RFP because it would seem obvious.

The customer that makes a buying decision in 2011 has enough examples of limited use, high maintenance costs and a steering wheel that doesn't turn in response to change: in that regard they are to blame. Shame on them for buying an ERP when what they need was agility, ease of use and innovation. Maybe they should look at Motorcycles instead.

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Andrew Baker
Andrew Baker Replied on Aug. 17, 2011

I don't think that the existence of an RFP or RFI shows that a customer has done "extensive" due diligence. If they don't put some real effort into understanding what their business really requires, then those massive pieces of paper mean little or nothing, really.

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Steve Christensen
Steve Christensen Replied on Aug. 17, 2011

Andrew - I agree. An RFI and RFP is insufficient. Similarly, a map of the Grand Canyon is insufficient. In both instances you have to dive into the actual environment to understand reality.

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Spot on Steve! There are so many better ways ERP is just yesterday's even the day before's product!

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Bob Swedroe
President & CEO, Expandable Software
Posted on Aug. 15, 2011
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Steve and David, you continue to throw all ERP solutions under the bus as if they are one company.

If you are not happy with a Toyota, do you refuse to buy a different a car from a different manufacturer or do you do research and see what car manufacturer has the best quality, best customer care, fits my price budget, etc. All ERP solutions and ERP companies are not the same. There are different cultures, different verticals served, different tiers of complexity and every company is unique in their needs and their processes.

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Michael Krigsman
CEO, Asuret Inc.
Posted on Aug. 16, 2011
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It's worthwhile taking a look at Workday and also SAP's new Sales OnDemand product. These products are SaaS-based and embody a very different paradigm for user interaction on enterprise systems.

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Steve Christensen
Steve Christensen Replied on Aug. 16, 2011

David van Toor raised the issue of How. So are you saying that these two applications can change How they do something without re-writing the code? In other words, if I wanted to add Lot control to a transaction that doesn't currently have lot control it can be done without modifying the existing system? Can I add lot control as part of the UI and the Logic/Programmatic and Database? And if so, does it only work for that application or does it work for every application in the known world?

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David Chassels
David Chassels Replied on Aug. 17, 2011

Steve, Michael
I had discussion with Workday in the early days as I tried to get them on board with our radical but simple approach. My understanding was that whilst they had identified generic "objects" they had not gone as deep as us where we focused on the work task types human and system that support people. Our approach basically eliminates coding for business applications and all built via a graphical interface. So I will answer the question from a Procession view point.
Yes very easy adding such a new step by inserting the new task then insert specific requirements, rules etc as required then making links within the existing system all in the graphical designer. Click deploy (use version control if required) and the process engine immediately recognises the new step and automatically sets up ready to run - no compiling, no code generation with the core code not changing. If you want to handle in UI again simple to add functionality to forms and once changed all recognised for use in deployment.
Our Business Technology is a tool completely application independent so yes it can handle any business application in the world. As everything is reusable so libraries of functions can be stored but it is so quick to build with the tool for example your new Lot control would be say 15 mins to get up and running all done by business people. If it was more complex maybe a sub process in its own right then a reuse approach might make sense.
I would be interested to hear how Workday would handle?

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Gerry Poe
CEO, Santa Clarita Consultants
Posted on Aug. 18, 2011
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“Why has the user experience on ERP products historically been so bad?”

The real question is, "WHY IS" the experience historically bad?

When nobody in the company "knows" what ERP is and how to get it implemented, it is an impossible task. In brief, "What were they thinking?" All in all, what is "sold" must be what they asked for and knew was intended. If a wholesale change was not expected and smatterings of the "old way" were going to hang around until doomsday was upon them.... In a LEAN and ERP cohabitation scenario, LEAN will identify, and ERP will enable. Part of an ERP deployment is knowledge transfer and bringing the "new culture" to fruit.

Disparity in cultures - systems thinking, enterprise language - APICS, and operational changeover - LEAN transition, responsibility - ownership, can make the experience smooth.

Above all, a properly defined well documented implementation methodology employment is key to a successful transition.

What is not desired is a forensic team to do an autopsy to discover cause of death. It gets real ugly.. Don't let the company be naive their about needs or their expectations. Be honest and fully disclose all aspects of the ERP project.

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Robert Brook
Director, Rowanberry Consultancy Ltd
Posted on Aug. 18, 2011
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As far as I'm concerned this is a false question!

This may be because as a consultant, with over 20 years experience of installing ERP systems, that I don't see the user experience from the individual users viewpoint. Or may be I've been lucky! But NONE of the systems I have installed during those 20 yrs has been a failure as far as the business is concerned. For them it has been a success, for some a great success.

Individual users may perceive a system as a failure in their own little spheres - due to extra work, greater complexity, etc. But the business as a whole has gained significantly. Users do not tend to look beyond their own little silos of activity when assessing a system. Only directors and senior managers take that overall view - which of course is there job.

So, I for one do not agree with the overall assumption of the question.

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Michael Krigsman
Michael Krigsman Replied on Aug. 26, 2011

Robert, to what do you attribute the horror stories associated with so many ERP implementations?

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Robert Brook
Robert Brook Replied on Aug. 26, 2011

a) name one!
b) media hyperbole

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Gerry Poe
CEO, Santa Clarita Consultants
Posted on Aug. 18, 2011
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Robert, I agree - the corporate value (ROI) is the basis for ERP, not user satisfaction. If we cound never get users out of their old-ways, business will fail..

What is beneficial is the dialog which ensues among the professionals in the trenches. Agree or disagree, talking about the "problems" is a healthy exchange.

My two cents...

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So it gets down to either the “system” runs the business or people.....? I have now completed my paper on "ProcessHub" about supporting people who are any organisation’s best asset. So you know which side I am on! See http://bit.ly/pV8Nmn I refer to a booklet available at http://www.deming.org.uk/ "Managing Transformation" talking about Dr W Edwards Deming credited with turning around Japan after the war. Well the West is in that position Japan was in except it is a financial war that's been lost. We better start doing things better and 90s ERP does not help with its veneer of command and control that fools all. There are much better Business Technology tools that can control yet empower people and transform organisations to fight our way back to economic health.

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Steve Christensen
Steve Christensen Replied on Aug. 25, 2011

Well written white paper David. While it appears we are competitors I look forward to attacking the status quo together.

"The supply side of the market is, therefore, endemically indifferent to any new approach that undermines these
lucrative revenue streams; the demand side of the market, especially Government and large corporates, has
not been presented with a clearly articulated alternative approach that delivers qualities and attributes
superior to conventional systems and at a fraction of the cost."

Well said.

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Ron Jensen
Ron Jensen Replied on Sept. 6, 2011

Wow, I checked out the website and to be honest, the solution sounds almost too good to be true. Is there any way to get more info on this type of program without having to schedule a demo?

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David Chassels
David Chassels Replied on Sept. 6, 2011

Ron
Try a demo Telco took 5 man days to build http://bit.ly/qw1yBA

General rule is count up the number of user forms and that becomes number of days for end to end custom process. Yes it all sounds too good to be true but true it is. Now you see why ERP becomes an expensive inflexible option! See loads of info including presentation overview - death by PowerPoint but it will fill in some detail http://bit.ly/qlSUvM

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Ted Margison
President, Pebble, LLC
Posted on Sept. 5, 2011
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Michael, you obviously have touched on a hot-button issue for many people. I'm not sure if your question is directed at the end-user experience or the company-level experience. Obviously, many companies have experienced difficulty in implementing systems and using them effectively. An ERP system is supposed to be part of a company's infrastructure that supports the transactions the company processes. An ERP system relies on integrated processes and effective controls - two things that many companies don't have. One of the most important issues for successful use of an ERP, as well as for any process, is 'accountability'. This is probably one of the greatest weakness for most companies. I'm sure you can imagine how well a new system would perform for the following company if they don't address this.

A manufacturing company was looking at getting a new ERP system. The CEO had heard horror stories from various customers and was concerned about implementation.

“What kinds of things go wrong during an implementation?” asked the CEO.

“Well, a major problem in many companies is that accountability is not well defined.”

“Oh, that’s not a problem here. We’re a very lean organization and everyone understands what they’re accountable for,” replied the CEO. “But, just out of interest, can you give me an example?”

“Well, although it might not apply here, companies that have problems with inventory often find that no one is responsible for inventory accuracy.”

“That’s not an issue for us. Dave, tell him who’s accountable for inventory accuracy,” said the CEO, nodding to his COO.

“No one,” replied the COO. “Maybe that’s why we have a $14 million inventory discrepancy.”

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Steve Christensen
Steve Christensen Replied on Sept. 6, 2011

Ted - I agree that accountability for any process/transaction is essential for a companies success. Where the UX falls down for an ERP isn't in the accountability but in the process. These pre-written processes which are tightly integrated around a data axle designed when Clinton was President just don't fit. So while accountability is a by-product of efficient, accurate and visible processes it is difficult to achieve in an ERP simply because the process doesn't fit the business. They are often neither efficient, accurate or visible. To change these processes takes an Act of Congress, Midas' wallet and the patience of Job. I don't think the UX is poor because users chafe against accountability. It appears poor because the process doesn't fit.

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Thanks Ted now we are getting to the core issues as you say "An ERP system is supposed to be part of a company's infrastructure that supports the transactions the company processes" It is not a "business" system where people need support to create the information that may or may not require this "back office" capability. But if you want a stock control system then get one that ensures source information is accurate but is it ERP? No this term is well past it's sell by date. There are clearly some great tools (Rob and Steve mention theirs) out there that are both an alternative to this old ERP thinking but can also help if you have such a system in place. This http://bit.ly/pV8Nmn is "disruptive" thinking in action Agile Software where you know in weeks not years what the benefits are and empowering people to do their job knowing there is only one version of the truth that can feed your back office “processing” requirements.

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Fred Blauer
CEO,CFO,VP,Director, Fred Blauer and Associates
Posted on Sept. 6, 2011
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You want to watch this video from Ray Wang:
http://openacct.wordpress.com/2011/07/20/ray-wang-why-enterprise-software-sucks/
(I think it also applies to ERP to a certain extent)

If it isn't the fault of the systems, and you can't blame the clients, maybe its a question of new and better approaches to implementation. That's my perspective.

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Steve Christensen
Steve Christensen Replied on Sept. 6, 2011

Fred - that's a good point. There is no reason to get mad at a train because it isn't a jet. It was designed to be a train and it is a train. Perhaps you can blame the client who thinks they are buying a jet and being told the train is 'jet-like' without understanding the differences. Perhaps I've extended the analogy too far already.

ERP does what ERP does. The fact that it doesn't fit the modern, jet-age isn't their fault. They may share the blame for painting wings on their caboose, but if you look closely and read just a little of the experiences actual customers have with ERP...its still a train.

Ray's video does a good job of eliciting feedback from the audience and included in the response is poor user experience. The 'unprecedented' levels of change he says business faces will remain unprecedented until next year...at which time it will achieve a new level. If things are whacky now they are only getting whackier. The new reality requires new approaches to getting the results business needs. A new way to lay track for the train probably isn't the answer.

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Ted Margison
President, Pebble, LLC
Posted on Sept. 6, 2011
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Some companies are talking about 'gamification' to improve UX. What is everyone's opinion about this approach?

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Michael Krigsman
Michael Krigsman Replied on Sept. 6, 2011

Ted, can you give some examples of gamification in this ERP context? Thanks.

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Michael Krigsman
Michael Krigsman Replied on Sept. 6, 2011

The Forbes article is interesting -- they want customers to see visible delight with seven minutes. That would be quite an accomplishment with an ERP system!

I was actually at the analyst event that Josh Greenbaum describes in a link from the Forbes article. While it's true that SAP is changing (slowly), I remain skeptical that joy and delight will be part of the common SAP lexicon in the near future.

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Ted Margison
Ted Margison Replied on Sept. 6, 2011

Yes, it's hard to imagine 'joy and delight' applied to an ERP-type system.

Unfortunately, I believe a large part of the User Experience is based on how much ownership and control management gives to the employees. In large part this is driven by what management measures the employees on. In short, I believe that poor management will always result in a poor experience (whether it's ERP, CRM, SCM, BPM, etc.).

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Ted Margison
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